In Reply to: I vote for accepting one another's individualities. posted by MG on March 24, 2007 at 03:57:51:
MG...it's definetely not an easy subject...for one, I like to stress, that this is not a christian discussion forum, but people of all sorts of thoughts/idealogies/religions say their two pence worth of wisdom...did you read also, that evolutionists have quite a hard time to solve the matter of heterosexual procreation?...the asexual one is definetely easier to explain or fits easier into their scheme...but the heterosexual one?Plus altruism is also a hard nut to crack...but you find procreation & altruism combined in the best love affairs world history has to offer...I beg you to point out, where you find altruism & procreation combined in a homosexual relationship?
As you have meanwhile in Germany "the blessing of the law" upon homosexual affairs => matrimonies/marriages, it has been "funny" to observe, how also the "good" homosexual affairs often didn't last...I'd say in general lust doesn't last...
However, you have to discern two things: people in the world, who don't want to agree (cannot??) to Christian principles/dogma & don't want to repent,
Paul says, God...the one who's righteous & also
full of love will judge their matter & that should be enough for me...
yet within the church the following should be principle: "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators (Bible teachers wonder, whether there was another epistle to the Corinthians...): yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth.Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1.Corinthians 5:9-13
The last two verses clarify, what I have to do with homosexuals, who want to live that way...the other verses explain, how I should react, if someone says he is believing in Christ, but wants to remain a homosexual...sorry, but the two don't jive.I am fully aware of the fact, that there are meanwhile "Christian fellowship groups" of homosexuals...I know/knew personally a homosexual, who is father of 3 kids, son of a preacher...seperated/divorced...who had his coming out some time ago...he was serving in his former church as the organist & then was asked to leave this position...etc. He also argued with the genetic disposition.
Fact remains (the scriptural one): homosexuals are without the church & not within, anything else is heresy....it's "funny", that Berg reconsidered this, when he once condoned (male) homosexual relationships...he was always looking for loopholes.(I am also aware, that there was/ is an anglican bishop/preacher in the US, who outed himself as a homosexual...)