In Reply to: Re: Are we getting "out-source" ; ) posted by Farmer on April 26, 2010 at 19:30:22:
Farmer:
Paul was DEFINITELY an apostle, and we're not; I presume. Seeing Jesus ALIVE (including resurrected) was one of the requirements. I assume, therefore, that "Junia" was one of the "more than 500 who saw Him all at once", before He ascended. I also assume that "Don't touch me" to Mary at the tomb meant "Don't hang on to Me, here on earth, BECAUSE I am going to my Father, in order to send the Holy Spirit", since He told Thomas "Touch me...and see My wounds...".
Paul called Junia an apostle in NT Scripture. Other 5-fold ministry leaders included, in t he First Century, included Prisca and Aquilla, Euodia anad Syntyche, and so on. They (Eph4) equipped t he REST of the rank-and-file church members to "do the work of the ministry", and enabled them to "be no longer children" in doctrine and behaviors. Pretty obvious.
In a time line, God existed in the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and BEFORE the "Kenosis" there WAS no "ranking" between each of Them. when "the fulness of time was come", the Kenosis OCCURRED at the Incarnation, and Jesus came "in the form of a servant, in the LIKENESS of a man", but MUCH MORE than a man. The Incarnation occurred second in a time-line after the Kenosis.
Adam was the source of Eve. Their "ligth" went out immediately when they sinned--ADAM'S sin brought death; they died PHYSICALLY much later--redemption was extended IMEDIATELY after they fell-God wasn't seeking information when He "looked" for them in the Garden. The Messiah was promised in genesis 3, and Gen 6 says Noah "found grace in the eyes of the Lord, and people all the way up to the theif on the cross made heaven, IMO.
God was the source of Jesus. Indisputable.
Paul's first calling was as an expositor of the Old Testament, which he probably MEMORIZED, under Gamaliel as a Pharisee; a much stricter Jew than Peter, until it came time to "resist him to the face, because he was to be blamed" concerning salvation by grace alone through faith alone, and the opening of ministry to the goyim.
Lucky us!!! Blessed; actually--I don't beleive in luck--it's a pagan idea.
There's more to my friend's story than I have written so far.
More later--he agreed to meet next week--please pray--I really think he is in danger.
Thanks--goto to go!
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