In Reply to: Can God make a stone he can't lift? Eternity = everything all at once posted by Rocky on May 01, 2003 at 00:45:43:
I can understand this, like I can understand how one is born into a family and nothing can alter the genetic markers whether the family or the individual want it or not. That's why I wonder. In Eph. 1, even if only adopted, it says that we were predestinated. Since He also gave us free will and not even He can take that away from us, I understand predestination to have the meaning we assign to salvation. In other words, we were predestinated to be chosen as in Jn 15:16. and receive Him as in Jn. 1:11-13.
The problem I have is that by accepting this version, we are in the verge of saying that some are already saved by nature of this predestination and others will never be saved under no circumstance. This too much of an elitist view of the Gospel for me unless there is more to the story I am not able to see.
By the way, quantum physics challenges some of the basic principles in the time-space continuum but even the nature of matter/energy change in small spaces. To go further into the exploration of natural phenomena, which is based on observations, the sciencific paradigm will have to change and accept that some things are not observable with our natural eyes or instrumentation but some observation will have to be discerned spiritualy. This means that physics and science will change from objectivism to subjectivism - hardly a realistic proposition. Curiously, that the observer interacts with (has an effect on) the phenomenom is well accepted in relativity theory so that a different observer may not get the same results. There is something inherently spiritual about being a physicist.