In Reply to: Let's talk about it (if you want, of course) posted by Miguel on June 17, 2004 at 21:32:58:
Miguel:
When I read your exchange with Lydia, I assumed, as she did, that
1.you knew what she understood and believed to be God’s way, from His Word, the Bible (which is categorically where she is in HER journey, which is what this board is about
2.you were being kind of “hidden” in what you were saying, and extended your comments and argument to what is called a “reduction ad absurdam” argument, where you DID seem to be trying to cast her in sort of a “self-righteous religious role”, if you will, as a way of winning the argument.
Now, you proceed to ask her more questions about an issue you apparently know she will not be comfortable with, and I still find your choice of syntax and language a little odd.
Here are some questions, man-to-man; OK?
1.Why put “holy” in quotation marks? Are you unfamiliar with the term, and have you never come across Lydia’s obvious point of view? Is everyone to assume that taking a stand for the REAL Bible and that living as a Christian is a somehow less important or less accurate, true, or real?
2.You also use the term “in reality”. Are you trying to edit Lydia’s reality? Are you setting up what you’re claiming to be reality for you, and what should somehow therefore be everybody else’s reality? You seem to be trying to do so, in an effort to try and correct Lydia, with what you apparently think is a superior point of view.
3.You then recount your own experiences, where you interpret them to be situations where you say that everything was hunky-dory and platonic, and “…then something happens and the relationship just moves on to a physical level without any premeditated thought but in a natural way…”.
In a Bruce Willis movie, The Last Cowboy, or something, Willis’ character is asking his wife how she became involved sexually with a colleague of his. She says, “It just happened”, and he answers, “You mean, you both just accidentally fell down, and he ACCIDENTALLY stuck his ___ in you?”.
a.You’re not really claiming that that’s the way it happens, are you, Miguel; just between us guys, it really doesn’t happen that way, now, does it?
b.Do you REALLY expect us guys to agree with your assertion that “I didn't have any intentions…”, or that an appeal to “human nature” is just what you wanted to “guess” is what really happened? Really?!?
c.So, basically, “little Miguel” controls BIG Miguel? Big Miguel cannot control Little Miguel’s “premeditations”, nor LM’s desire to complete coitus?
Really?
And, you don’t know if Lydia would classify that behavior as sin?
Really?
And you can really honestly ask such a goofy question about Matthew 5:28?
And you, Perry, can allege you know everything about sexual, social, spiritual and psychological health—just what is your expertise in these matters, and why are being so unacceptably ungentlemanly with Lydia ?
Shame on both of you! Please collectively cut the crap, OK?