my basis of understanding is

Posted by lydia on December 16, 2002 at 22:02:55

Is that I reject the concept of saying a simple prayer, and you are saved. In fact believing wasn't a necessary part of praying and the family told me just 'try it' I didn't have to believe it.

The god I found in the family was very seductive. Nevertheless, I know God's voice tried at times to get through to me over different things, but it was not the god I was serving in the family.

I kept that door slammed pretty tight and kept 'doubts' at bay.

For this I know God :

2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


If I so strongly believed that everything Berg said was the mouth of God, then of course as this verse shows, I was given over in strong delusion, I was surely damned. As the verse shows.

Now as the result of the survey shows and after talking to many people, most were not decieved or given over in strong delusion as I was. The abhorred having to 'share', they were repulsed by Bergs false doctrines that went to sexual limits to be fulfilled. I'm sure you are correct in assuming they were saved, but maybe as Jude brings out:



Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.


All that to say, if you abide in evil as in the family, I can say with firmness that either you were never saved or you have crossed the line with God. Since my salvation experience consisted of no real understanding of who Jesus Christ was, I can say, I never knew him and I know that Jesus was not the one prophcying through my mouth to confirm the dark deeds I was doing. So if he wasn't the one, who is left that we were serving donny?

If you believe you were saved, I'm not arguing with that. I firmly believe every man has to work out their own salvation.(as the scripture says) I don't think it's a blanket thing for anyone.