In Reply to: My God can beat up your God posted by Perry on November 15, 2005 at 19:14:43:
"I am absolutely sure that there are absolutely no absolutes."
That statement is absurd on its face.
Assuming a priori that the one making the statement has attained to philosophical certainty does not, ipso facto, strengthen the statement or remove its inherent absurdity.
All observed physico-chemical reactions are observed to be part of an "entropic doom" DOWN-winding process, where "delta-G", or free energy is ALWAYS lost, along with potential energy, electrochemical energy, and so forth. NOTHING IS OBSERVED TO BE UPWARDLY ORGANIZING MATTER. In fact, the opposite is always observed to be true.
True science is ALWAYS AND ONLY extrapolated from OBSERVED PHENOMENA, not weak groupings of linearly disconnected data.
One may not extrapolate ANYTHING with correspondence in actual space-time reality from
badly done science.
Absurdity about any subject is, by definition, still merely an absurdity.
Ergo, regarding belief system, using pseudo-scientific terminolgy to perpetrate the same logical fraud does not change the logic, and cannot change its falseness.
And, finally, assuming the impossibility of a true Biblical Christianity's reality based upon a bad experience in a sub-christian cult, is also inhererently logically untenable, no matter how strong the emotions on the subject, or how currently popular the data-free opinion of those who make the philosophical choice of credence in the most recent version of relativism; post-modernism.
The one strength of post-modernism is that its purist adherents do acknowledge the reality of the spiritual experiences of most variable religious experiences. I figure that where there is life, there is hope. There was for me, and there is for others; just not in assuming relativism, or in trying to recreate God in our own image, "like unto corruptible man" (Romans Ch. 1)
I would be glad to discuss extant document-based religious systems, analytical philosophy, and/or the nature of the philosophy of logic and the nature of real science, and I will be speaking and logic-ing, if you will, from within unmediated experience, not assumptions of mere opinion.
I know my logic, and I know my science, and I've had a 31+-year experience of the REAL Jesus Christ; post-cult. And, I experienced Hatha, Raja, Siddha, Bhakti and Kundalini Yoga, all Pre-Cult, as well as Silva Mind Control, and Transcendental Meditation; all of which were on-demand experiences which only failed around REAL Christians who only wanted to tell me about the REAL love of the REAL Jesus Christ.
I've had the un-mediated experience of the demonic nature of the Yoga/psychic/occult, and I am not at the mercy of anyone's experience-freemere opinion on the subject.
I am quite aware of inconsistencies within the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and other occult writings.
I am also quite aware of historical Christian apologetics; conversant, maybe even expert. Any "expertise" has been based on my own experiences, and freely examined tought processes.
As all the other posters, presumably, I have also had the un-mediated experience of the sub-christian cult of TFI.
Finally, I have had over 31 years of un-mediated experience of the REAL Jesus Christ, the REAL Holy Spirit, and the truly merciful and loving heart of the REAL Father.
The presumptions of a mere philosophical point of view constructed in a logically and philosophically dishonest manner do not leave me at the mercy of such baseless presumptions.
My "Journey", if you will, has led me not away from, but towards the veracity and faithful dependabilty of God's REAL Word.
Like the victim Mr. Stoddard (spelling?) in C.S. Lewis' book "That Hideous Strength", I had to have massive doses of the counterfeit, in order to realize even the possibility of the existence of the true and the real.
Let's be philosophically honest; shall we?
Taking the stand of "there are absolutely no absolutes, ESPECIALLY historical experiential and strictly Bible-based and truly Christ-centered Christianity", based on past membership on a definitionally sub-christian and abusive cult does not and cannot logically follow; opinions notwithstanding.
Sincerely,
OT2 (OldtimerToo)