In Reply to: Jesus' words posted by moonshiner on February 20, 2006 at 14:10:40:
Thanks for Asking moonshiner: Ya all got some strong brew type questions
Yea that exclusive claim has always been a real fooflapping tiptopper. I spend alot of time trying to get it from the perspective of believing Jesus is who he said he is. Not to preach at you or anyone else cause I got no right to but just tryin to see why/if/how it fits.
In the Last Temptation of Christ Jesus is having a temptation dream where he gets married and settles down. On day two of the disciples come over and ask hi9m what the f--- is going on here Jesus we arn't following you for this! You are the son of God Get back on the job! It was a really interesting scene to say the least and not at all what is orthodox.
OK I digressed to tell one of my favourite movie scenes, sorry!
I notice there are a few things that Jesus touched on that are just as instructive regarding truth.
- Disciples asked him about others at times. He said I have other sheep that are not of this fold, them I must gather into one fold with one shepherd.
- One thief went into paradise that very day. I think Jesus always talked about the kingdom being a heart thing. The woman at the well found him too.
-In the 1700's John Gill an English preacher wrote Body of Divinity. Amony other points he believed that God was immutable and there was no part of him that was not fully God at all times. His reasoning on this topic is quite interesting and very heavy food for thought. He viewed that Jesus spirit and father were one in everyway all the time. Anything else existing would be part of creation. I personally believe that there can only be one creator almighty. In my issues I struggle with thhis point more than hell. What I think is that all souls who seek the truth of the real god will find him as the lifespan enters the into the construct of eternity. In eternity I think everything happens all at once, the big now.
-I also notice Jesus was always sliding over to talk to different people of unclean types, someone like me. Organized structural truth is not truth to me. It all happens in the heart.
The hell question:
As a boy I was incacerated in a Catholic training school and physically sexually abused by clergy and a host of others. We lived in Lord of the flies every frigging day. We fought, bled, cried, were fucked and some died in that living hell. It was the same catholic division that ran Mt Cashal and they made a movie of us all called Boys of Saint Vincent. I am not sure if I met Satan personally but I think I was dragged up very close and personal buy some of his close associates. Other hellish things happened to me during my life. From my perspective, having hell is a bummer but the fact we know and practice good and evil requires it. God forbid that anyone should have to see any of it during life. Although I've had a personal hell experience my issue is more about eternity and how God will get such a wide variety of us human rumble fish to fit on the head of a pin. Above all a real God has to be just and I think it is so. Techically it is a real SOB to figure out in advance what all of this means and of coarse there is always the issue of faith to contend with. Wish I had an answer cube for confirmation but i don't.
Happy Trails
RockyBoobbola