In Reply to: "or you will be no more"? posted by Oldtimer on August 12, 2006 at 00:34:20:
"Annihilation" is also a Jehovah Witness heresy.
The "opposite" was to become a member of their organization, and to be saved by works (7th Days heresy is also salvation by works, via the "don't do" list and group membership, but especially by having "church" on Saturday versus Sunday).
I do know that Isaac Newton, who at the same time as another theist (Jewish guy--Leibnitz) discovered Calculus, posited a "Big T" time, or Eternity, where God always existed, and a "little t" which was created by God speaking it into existence from nothing AS the time/space continuum, where God literally "stretched out the heavens"(OUSIDE the "Big T" eternity; of course).
Of course, Immanuel Kant theorized that an Infinite God was also "able" (duh!) to create a literally infinite universe, contrary to the "Big Bang" weak hypothesis (a pseudo-mathematically invented philosophical construct with most of the characteristics of the Biblical God, anyway, for which there IS observable evidence).
I believe we'll end up, as the redeemed, with two dimensions. One wil be eternally quarantined, with an unbreachable "gulf fixed", and will contain, with eternal darkness, no contact with the other unredeemed who have a perfect eternal memory of all the times they rejected God's forgivenness in Christ and chose their own will. They will, I believe, also know what it would have been like to have had eternal forgiven communion with God, but will know they will never know it again--to me THAT would be as agonizing as a lake of fire--I don't think it's literally "eternal oxygenation", but of the eternal torment of which Jesus did speak reprleatedly; where each individual's
self-torment and teeth-gnashing self-reproach for not having repented will be their own Hell.
The other dimension will be, I believe, the renewed Heaven and earth in an eternally renewed Universe--what would have continued to exist had the Fall not occurred. I believe that Jesus Christ will "change His Grip" on the fallen Universe, and will do away with entropy altogether.
Since he can do things in the "blink of an eye"; figuratively speaking, I don't believe that sub-atomic or molecular motion will EVER cease.
E = M x (C x C) is at the atomic quantum level, where C is electron speed, or velocity over time, but is actually only probabilistically estimated, not literally measured by a photon's speed (electrons and photons have the same speed).
So, I think the idea of "acceleration ending" is not plausible.
Like it or not, the Bible teaches that Hell is just as eternal as Heaven, and that if your name's not "written in the Lamb's Book of Life" at the Judgement, you'll be part of "Death and Hell...delivered up and cast into the lake of Fire", and Jesus warned more times about that than the times He mentioned Heaven.
2 Peter 2 describes false teachers who shall "privily bring in damnable heresies...even denying the Lord whto bought them" (if I'm quoting correctly frm the KJV), so anything that denies the "efficacy of the blood of Jesus" is this type of heresy, and historically always has been, back to the first century.
Berg taught Universalism, which is this type of heresy; historically. And, even if you're an ultra-Calvinist (I'm not, and historically, and most Christians weren't up until even AFTER the time of Calvin in the 1500s), you'd only be able to say that the verse in 1 Cor 3 about "saved...yet so as by fire" would mean you BARELY made Heaven (historically, however, most believed it referred to the judgement of churches and ministries, NOT to individual salvation), with NO rewards.
Respectfully,
OT2 (OldtimerToo)