In Reply to: Re: Depends on the year and the country posted by susie on August 31, 2006 at 02:42:07:
By the way...I wanted to comment a bit longer about your repost at the GenX - board...I had never in mind to ban you from journey, to be precise...I just wanted some fairness & I have seen you fairly mild in your disagreements...you probably noticed, that I was at times not so nice to Perry & moonshiner, simply cause there was too little in common & I felt they wanted to show silly we are...which is annoying, especially since some very smart scientists haven't discarded their faith & I'd venture out to say, that they are most likely better educated than any of us here, so that's where my annoyance stems from at times...
I also thought you were frustrated, when you posted that article from Andy H...first I like him, how honest he's about himself...his selfassessment compared to his very bright brother, whom I always liked in his arguments.
You know I had my appearances ad movingon, defending the faith, as I saw it...later I expressed my remorse/sorrow & regret of having been in TF & the SGAs (in)directly suffering by it.I know it's awful...you cannot undo the past,like tithing for a "wicked company", FFing etc. as much as the Germans cannot undo the Nazi-crimes
I still love the movingon-board, but the big "calibres" have gone & there is some "vacuum" now
I saw, that quite a few believing "SGAs" do much better in portraying their found faith, like e.g. Webel did in my hero...I guess you remember that...so I don't need to go there, making plenty in the consequence upset, even if you get some thumps up here & there - which meant to be "fun",
but I outgrew that stage...
It would take days & days to comment on all the bravery of the SGAs, to analyse their thoughts...it's amazing how funny they are inspite of all the odds.And it is very sadening to listen to their woes & experiences of the rotten FG caused past, even if much parental love I also observe in my time in TF...
All in all I felt Andy's post to be very touching, he knows, that the older ones need some encouragement, as they take the brunt confronting
/exposing the cowards in TF...
And that documentary was the best I saw yet...all that I could have said immediately....but at times you're busy with a lot of other ideas & I noticed in the past, that even if FGAs where very apologetic in the past, it still doesn't make it right for many...so may be some people didn't feel like commenting too much anymore, others being in holiday...whatever...
Completing the "loop" now, I am back to the beginning, yes, I felt you were frustrated also with passing by, who took the beautiful post to take off on another subject, more dear to him, which got your strong dissent/disapproval...the rest we know...you had a point, sure, but you could also have said - what many suggest for bickering couples - to just talk about your feeling: you know, passing by, even if your ideas may have some point, the reason I posted the article is...sothat we could all...
For you he missed your point...not really knowing what your point was (I was guessing it...kind of smelling it...yet I came to "help" also passing by...because my point was to remain fair with others, who use their time to contribute their ideas to subjects pertaining to TF in general & what passing by said, they even discussed at movingon.org, so it couldn't have been that bad, you know what I mean?)...if you had made it a bit more clear what reactions you had desired, a veering off could be easer "chided"...but often we just post, what comes to our mind...so the heavy reactions from the other side are understandable...we don't own the space here...
One more thing, I think you like Jules & she talked nicely about you...I also do like the SGAs, have said that very often, particularly about Jules, who has a very rough time to even listen to FGAs...the more I read about their woes, I understand why...however there are things I do not take lightely either (there is also a division among the SGAs, whether or not Ricky is a hero or not...but that is not what I am driving at...only in part)...you yourself, Perry more, had/have trouble to see, why several (quite a few??) FGAs
still hold on to their faith in Jesus...it was about a year ago, that Jules made a very appalling remark on movingon, which I consider the worst she ever made, but haven't found time to tell her...I hope she's doing weel, cause 2 years ago she wasn't...hope, she's ok....& that is our experience with Jesus, asking Him into our heart...something also Porcelaine doll didn't understand, when Marc came to the board here, so that I commented a bit heavier on that, regarding
PD..
So this is a bit the dividing line, if they can't stomach that of the FGAs, well then they'll never have a clue, why many of us joined...& may be they don't care...but that is a big point for me, which also brought me one time to challenge Perry, why on earth he joined at all....
This is legthy, but it's about dividing the FGAs from the SGAs & the SGAs into at least two boards,
not to speak of the different lines between the SGAs...
I am not so foolish to believe, that those lines/ditches can easily be overcome...it's more like emotional/intellectual barbed wire...
but I do like to hear anyones opinion on journeys if there is respect for the option to hold on to
faith...I feel more & more that "witnessing" can be an intellectual pridetr(i)/(a)p ....I am actually asked to live what I read & some biblical statements took me almost 30 years to adhere to & follow, cause my "flesh" didn't like the idea.
A bit lengthy, but I never singled you out, to be banned from journeys, Susie...it's also not a sign of a persecution-syndrome, that I feel everywhere being persecuted...as I said on the other board, I am just really for fairness & you where unfortunately the "victim" for me to "preach about it"...Wish you a wonderful week & soon a nice Australian summer...ours isn't much at all anymore.