In Reply to: I am NOT neutral. We differ. posted by OT2 on September 06, 2006 at 14:25:04:
OT2
I apologize for offending you. I have never meaned to mess with you and I really dont know why you get so upset with me. I am sincere I really hope you believ me. If my sense of humor (humour?) doesnt go good with you please dont think that I m mocking you. Never! It is too dangerous to joke in another language one has not mastered. My mistake. My problem is that I understand very well what I read in english but I express myself bad and type worse. I know I know, I should use the spellchecker, but spelling is not my only mistakes.
I think the coordinator has good inside, it is a kultural thing. We have had decades of form of socialism and everyone here likes to be equal. We had strict formality long ago, like the french vous and tu, but now everyone is mostly tu. We like self-irony and we expect people not to take themself to serious. Självdistans is a national ideal, it means to have self-distance, self-detachment, be able to laugh at yourself, not take yourself too seriously, because we are all human, hav all make mistakes, not be so stiff, we all change our opinion when we learn something new.
We even hav a national ironic JOKE about our sense of eqvality in the unwritten national law called jantelag, on which stands "thou shalt not believ thou art better than any one else, thou shalt not believ thou art special or deserv better, thou shalt not believ thou knowest better or haf more talent" and so on. http://www.lingonord.se/sweden.html#jante
As you see from that funny page that jantelag only create a lot of "lagom" people, which is bad idea. It means no outstanding people with no edges and no balls.
http://www.bestoftheblogs.com/2004/07/envy.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1541748,00.html
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/36539
http://www.ssn.flinders.edu.au/scanlink/nornotes/vol1/reviews/mosey.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1604032,00.html
It is self irony, a NATIONAL JOKE, to mock our own sense of conformity and equality. Not to be taken too serios!
I must be mad, dont know why I see things the way I do, and I like to laugh about the situation. Like just now I cannot help but see the humor in everything. I wants saw funny skit with the punchline "thou mockest me" at the end of every conversation and your post reminded me of it. And this is now happening while you are trying to be so serious as possible to solve our misunderstanding.
BUT!!!! The problem is sometimes I m SERIOS and really not joking but you think I do, and so then you dont understand why I joke and think I mock you. You see this here is not new problem, so smiley was invented. From now if I post to you I use 8-) and :-( mayb you will laugh now when I want you to? You see I cant help it again. I hav seen very serious office memos from vice presidents also contain this type of stupid Swedish humors. I am not joking, the corporate cultur is based on självdistans (good), jantelag (bad), team work (good). Exampel, the CEO of IKEA flies economy class and refuse to be better than his employees.
When I took my dotter to the school meeting, the teacher said to her "Are you satisfied with yourself? do you hav anything to say, you think any freinds are bad to you? is your teachers nasty? is your father stupid some times? " You see we teach children to think crticial from early age and express, not be afraid of the opinion, to question authority. This is how we are, brutaly honest. For Swedes to say you dont look pretty in the dress is not rude, it is just honest. Swedes become fearless public speakers from the early age, can walk up to the prime minister and talk with no fear, can talk before the big audience, and be brutaly honest and entertain at same time but mayb must one be a Swedish to appreciate! 8-)
So now must I say what I also see, that you very often read something people say and think they mean something they dont, and you get angry when they are innocent! :-( I think you assemble facts to fast and your mind is hyperactiv, the mark of the intelligent person maybe 8-), but its not good when you jump to level 10 when every body is on level 1 talking "small shit" :-(
Aaaaah shit. Shit is another word you object, but it is also a Swedish thing to use that word very light without heavy meanings. Trust me! 8-)
Is moonshiner really a woman? I think moonshiner dont talk much about himself (herself?) so we really cant say. He (she?) never admitted to being a man or woman when someone asked, correct? mayb i missed something?
When I wrote "I am neutral" I meaned that I dont take sides with moonshiner or you, just try to be adding comment as neutral third party observing. for me it was not about atheism or theism. I honestly dont care about that subject, only to say to you to find a better way to say your comment. I meaned to be helpful, but mayb you hav hard time with critic?
What you explain about your beliefs on atheism is still very different from insignuating (spelling?) that moonshiner is dishonest. Mayb you didnt mean so. It helps when you explain does it not?
When you assume automatical there is already a problem and post like your style, its jumping too far in front. For exampel I asked simple honest question and you said I baited you about some thing. OT2, not everybody is inside your head understanding how you think and playing games with you. We are outside having our own thoughts.
I dont know the things you know, but mayb its your hyperactiv intelligent brain is doing too many mathematics, to think how to balance against that special language atheists use. I really dont think you should put the cart before the horse and go to far ahead. How it looks is you just call moonshiner dishonest because he doesnot face the truth. It reads better if you say you find the scientific explanations for atheism not convincing enough for you and not true for you. Just one way to say the same thing without to insult someone else.
I also hope that it helps that I explain now, what I mean. This gap is far and wide, language, culture, internet!
I asked you sincere question about the health. I am human, you know. No fun to be sick. No fun to hav chronic sickness. Mayb you are so sick it is hard to hav humor, if so then you help me understand more why you are so grumpy 8-)
BUT!!!! I know you do not enjoy reading my posts and this is longest I hav ever write here and you (and everybody?) cannot stand my english.
So.............
So long!!!!!!!! (my post)
and
So long!!!!!!!! (fairwell)
Since I cause only trouble I hav a life to live, I will try to resist coming back.
PS "Does that translate easily enough for you?" is one of many ways you putting me down again and again :-( but I forgive you 8-) Life is too short.