Posted by Farmer on February 02, 2011 at 15:39:55
In Reply to: Re: This comment made me cry posted by Alias Hannah on February 01, 2011 at 19:00:35:
As an exer...my biggest stumbling block was all the doom and gloom preached in the COG, the obsession with sin. My belief today is Jesus died for our sins one time, He saves us one time, and if we continue to sin, He forgives us by His grace not by our works. We are human and we do things that are unloving sometimes, but now when we follow His teachings, we feel remorse and admit our shortcomings to Him in prayer. We forgive ourselves, God forgives us and we forgive others who have hurt us. That is how we stay on the path. Bringing His kingdom down here, bringing His joy to others, letting go of resentments and keeping our side of the fence clean, one day at a time! People get overwhelmed with theology and what is correct! We need to keep it simple....love God and love one another!
I agree basically with your fine post
my biggest stumbling block was all the doom and gloom preached in the COG, the obsession with sin.
Well...the Bible preaches sin...doom etc. and some churches are much worse in adapting that to life than COG...the point is as you pointed out...we're saved...we're loved...but that doesn't give us the license to sin as one pleases...true...it's always forgiven...but it needs also to be repented of/confessed etc...it's a matter of usefulness, being a light, a witness...the extreme is for me in 1.Cor. 5...where Paul submits a
fornicator to the chastising through the devil in prayer...it seems that person repented...my take of the second epistle...
Later COG rather downplayed the responsibilities to live a holier life regarding marriage and sex and that is really crucial with COG...foremost I'd say...sexual abuse in general
The whole world would be healed if everyone did these two things.
Well..it all hinges on the if...as you know...there is also the universal reconciliation theory/theology...and COG believes in it.
I abandoned it...when I couldn't find any expressive/positive mentioning of beings, leaving the lake of fire...neither does it say anywhere that out of the weeds (Mt. 13...which the enemy sowed) you have a transformation into wheat.
Nice theology...but so far not really totally proven IMO
Basically what you and I do before in and after TF is theology...reasoning with the Word we find...letting it speak to us...convincing us one way or the other...I believe in the "system of a big puzzle"...if a piece doesn't fit...without doing harm to it...then my thought can't be right...God is also not the author of confusion...I love that one...
Even keeping it simple rather living a lovefilled life is also a theology in Germany...elsewhere I suppose it's the same...pietists they are called
Take the trinity...the Jews can't agree on and the Arians of old and now like the JW etc...polyfgamy is practised by at least the Mormons...without now being specifically being very Christian through further teachings...nonetheless Smith started out there among a normal congregation...all that is theology and one has to take a stand for or against...the issues seem to be endless for me...got to end here now...for the moment...
God bless you
Sorry the typos...lack of time...
I just had a look...how and when logos has been also translated as reason
λoγος
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) of speech
a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
b) what someone has said
1) a word
2) the sayings of God
3) decree, mandate or order
4) of the moral precepts given by God
5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
c) discourse
1) the act of speaking, speech
2) the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
3) a kind or style of speaking
4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
d) doctrine, teaching
e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
f) matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed
2) its use as respect to the MIND alone
a) reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
b) account, i.e. regard, consideration
c) account, i.e. reckoning, score
d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
1) reason would
f) reason, cause, ground
3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
Note: A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus first used the term Logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reason or plan which coordinates a changing universe.
Here's a verse...where logos has the meaning of reason!!!
1Pe 3:15 But1161 sanctify37 the Lord2962 God2316 in1722 your5216 hearts2588: and1161 [be] ready2092 always104 to4314 [give] an answer627 to every man3956 that asketh154 you5209 a reason3056 of4012 the hope1680 that is in1722 you5213 with3326 meekness4240 and2532 fear5401:
Jhn 1:1 In1722 the beginning746 was2258 the Word3056, and2532 the Word3056 was2258 with4314 God2316, and2532 the Word3056 was2258 God2316.