Posted by Farmer on April 15, 2011 at 13:37:21
In Reply to: Re: can't cope with some what you wrote posted by Skep on April 15, 2011 at 07:54:52:
I don't get it ...you're a friend of LTE??? or what are you referring to???
Skep isn't it true for much of our communication here??...I don't know anything of what happened in China at any time in TFI...wasn't there...I don't know anything about Brasil etc. etc. etc. and even then there were differences in homes and homestandards... of course even in the very beginning...and down through the history of TFI...I wouldn't quarrel about that at any time...but there were reference materials available...stuff I read after TFI out of interest including the book of Dborah...don't know whether you read it.
Therefore you get a bit of a picture...also of the beginnings...just ask yourself, what was wrong may be about the early days???If nothing comes to your mind I'd be perplexed...and yes then pls. visit xfamily org site...where things like that were already an issue and there were some not really playing the drums for the wonderful pioneer days...can't judge that...just to say...I would know some things, which would most likely be wrong already in the early days...just by biblical standard...or my take of it....that's why I said...we could open up a new thread about it...and if I am not wrong...even OT2
talked about some of these things...so why you're attacking me on that is beyond me....sounds like you both want to have that version: the beginnings were all so "cool"...am I wrong here???
I definitely would venture to say the later developments were much worse then the beginnings...hope that sounds fair to you...nevertheless I don't like some of LTE's post...simply because not only Berg did start abuse and FFing but it landed right there in the local homes....and I repeat myself for the xth...zillionth time....I didn't see any abuse of children etc....but I heard of one who got abused by someone affiliated with TFI...though they were not considered fulltime DOs...it was some helping had ministry in India in the eighties...
Just to say...I know about FFing first hand and I don't wnat to have the significance downplayed at any time by anyone...my take and I am very adamant about that...it shouldn't sound like Berg was the only one...no...the followers practiced that as well...forgot????
Berg and a handful of people were already screwed up back then.
I said that...what did you read????
Don't insist that your come-late version is universal truth. Some of your comments above sound like the system is so bad that TFI is not too bad in comparison. I hope this is not the case bucause TFI is worse than the system.
Well, I don't really remember, when you appeared here on the board...can't remember everything a bit much for an oldie...but I did say many times here, that TFI kind of belongs to the system...kind of I say...they have some salvation message...but like to have the pleasure of the world as well...as it suits...this might be a mistake and sin for many of us believers...including me...but that doesn't make it right...
So a church which is really seperated or which seperates itself from the world...the system is harder and harder to find...
I wonder when you read the last time the first epistle of John...what's so wonderful about the worldy system????
That is definitely one of the things I didn't like about the Ex-SGAs their taunting 100-reason to be a sytemite-sort of thing and Tshirt...sure in some areas you have it much better...but the system...the world at it's worst should plague you too via the boulevard press...or aren't you reading the worst news about the system...you seem to know nothing about the Dutroux cases in Belgium...I harped on all that repeatedly here
I read/hear manifold the daily news...hope you do that too
It kind of strikes me as ironic that you...who had some differences with Observer about changes in TFI now want to remind me, that TFI went through some historical changes...the poor chameleon is often used as a metaphor for the changes TFI makes...I can't blame you, that you don't trust TFI's recent reboot changes...and also I don't allow myself any comment on that...but since you are not an insider...in the end you can only presume, which happens ..like for all of us...you prerogative...the only means left...we have to assume according to probabilities...judging...even if happens to be a prejudice...by what we know about TFI
Last not least I repeat to you...something which I did already here on the board...you give me any
appreciated amount of money in the world or any other goodie and I wouldn't join TFI...I also don't shade the doorpost of any charismatics there are outside of TFI...simply because their doctrines are psychologically dangerous...
So I hope that was clear enough...hate to be heavily misunderstood
So yes TFI is horrid and they don't repent of their wrongdoings...also the ones who initiated it like Zerby and Co...but what's so likeable about the system???You explain that please...
Love not the world neither the things which are in the world....didn't you read all that?????
Typed in a hurry sorry for all the mistakes and blunders etc....all the best in Jesus to you