Posted by Farmer on July 30, 2011 at 10:23:16
In Reply to: Re: accept, ...gratitude list, ...my declaration, ...and feelings posted by MG on July 30, 2011 at 04:34:04:
MG...I do realise...that you're also writing for abigger "fan-base"...and I also never had only the original poster "only"in mind when coresponding
World English Dictionary accept (əkˈsɛpt)
— vb (sometimes foll by of )
1. to take or receive (something offered)
2. to give an affirmative reply to: to accept an invitation
3. to take on the responsibilities, duties, etc, of: he accepted office
4. to tolerate or accommodate oneself to
5. to consider as true or believe in (a philosophy, theory, etc): I cannot accept your argument
6. ( may take a clause as object ) to be willing to grant or believe: you must accept that he lied
7. to receive with approval or admit, as into a community, group, etc
8. commerce to agree to pay (a bill, draft, shipping document, etc), esp by signing
9. to receive as adequate, satisfactory, or valid
10. to receive, take, or hold (something applied, inserted, etc)
11. archaic to take or receive an offer, invitation, etc
[C14: from Latin acceptāre, from ad- to + capere to take]
The only definition from that list, that bears some resemblance to what I think is my position is to "accomodate" myself to something you post or say...but may be I don't have to do that???..am I forced on the boards to accomodate myself to everything someone holds for the personal truth?...I don't intervene that much according to my way of thinking by commenting on something you hold currently for important...true... your way of life.
If someone would smoke...especially those close to me...I comment on that in a "nice way" that it is dangerous to health...as they know anyhow.
You figure...Jesus probably said/meant something different, then what is the "recorded truth"...you wouldn't be the first one, to think like that...rest assured, that I know quite a bit about the "critical" method of "Bible science"...even while in TFI in Germany I met litnessing a principle of a lyceum/highschool..who gave me a book of an old Testament's specialist on the book of Daniel.. v. Rad is the prof's name, never forgot how I shuddered then as a "babe" in Christ about the intellectual nonsense...my best friend now (fluent in old Hebrew) gave me the rabbinic take about the messianic prophecies...a scream...
Now, I just take my time to protest every now and then if something like your comment comes up...you can of course have your "private take" about Jesus and what He was supposed to be about...but in analogy: when someone once says openly ..."Oh you're the most beautiful woman in the world, my one and only one...for you I can & like to die for" (I like near , and middle eastern romantic poetry about the subject...much bloomier than what I am accustomed to nowadays...not even western pop-songs carry enough nowadays...from what I sometimes catch up)...and then after ..let's say 20 years...you say...oh I found a nicer woman than you...or leave me alone...that amounts to me to unfaithfulness...same goes for a salesman saying he considers BMW the superior car brand...after 20 years he moves to Toyota-sales and says the very same thing...you "taught/sold" that "basic faith, ideology, truth" whatever your definition and left that...throwing the baby out with the bathwater...and yes I comment on that...do I have to accomodate myself on that way of yours..???
If you wish an answer, I must most likely concede I haven't & you're not the only one...may be the most prominent... ; ) ...others pretty much have the same view then you ...I mean Perry was once the most vocal..."outrageous"...about the issue...fine...what can one do??
It's on the level of feelings...like I said and your take on feelings is pretty "pure"/idealistic, however this "control-business" of yours regarding feelings..."I wish it to ya"...but I consider it "wishful thinking"...emotions come up and the art would be to only let the "positive" happen...that also needs a "Scale-frame" and discard the other...nice...if you want to succeed in that...or have already...I am way below that and have not very high aspirations as long as I live...I think I am human...besides having faith...and I treasure the "feelings-part" shared in the Bible...showing me, how "imperfect" also the really great men and women of God were...now that is an encouragement for me.
I used the word "harp"...nice instrument by the way...so it can't be that bad ; )
because it happened more than once...rather frequently...that you "feel not accepted"...as if it annoys you...to "fight for your new stance"...why not??...you fought many years for the other faith...now can't you endure something???I don't get it...the homosexuals also want to have it all the easy way...no resistance anymore...why??
It's one thing to not bully, stalk..demean someone with a different lifestyle/opinion...but Christians in the early days didn't get it all on the silver-platter either...plus they had apologists, telling other "thinkers"/philosophers in "spiritual combat" what the score was...so it's a battle...and you seem to complain IMO ?...that is my "feeling"
I realise in this "section" of my life...that love is also to let someone...things go...to give "God a chance" ...to form someone further...more than I could do with my opinions...protectiveness...after all God loves the individuals infintesimally more than me...though more than dieing for that person...more nobody can do...that's the way I understood Jesus.
Since the talk was also about homosexuals:
Here are some clips of a comedian I treasure...German...who is IMO...take...extremely gifted and funny...and that as a homosexual ; ) so I can laugh about him and I think he's "great" nevertheless I am not really that "amused" about his private life...he recently splitted from his very long lifetime-partner ...strange... happens to "them" as well ; ) and he wrote a highly/vastly sold book about his journey...footmarch/pilgrimage on the Jacob's path to Santiago di Compostella...northern Spain...it sold by the millions
Hape Kerkeling Live! - Deutsche im Ausland
legendary on the day of Queen Beatrix visit to Berlin...he tried to make it as "fake queen" into the castle
Hape Kerkeling - Beatrix
Hape Kerkeling tritt als Königin Beatrix einen Staatsbesuch in Berlin an! :-) (25. April 1991)