Posted by Farmer on December 02, 2011 at 01:03:22
In Reply to: Re: Have I read you/understood you right then in the past? posted by Skep on December 01, 2011 at 16:45:14:
"The truth is that I used to suspect you as still being in TFI. Your denials didn't do much for me because I have met people who being in TFI say they are not. We were instructed to do that very same thing once upon the time, and that is a mandate that have never been revoked, it is still in effect. TFI does not consider such a thing as a lie as long as the objective justifies it."
Since you're now opening up about it...and sorry...I did smell something was fishy from the beginning...don't you think that is also very personal to me???
...I can say...it does hurt to be considered TFI... I always loved witnessing in TFI and sad to say it kind of is reduced now...but still there...the desire...I consider it a duty.Please try to look at it from the angle of people ...who seriously asked Jesus to come into their heart...they want to have a continued relationsship...the Bible does talk about engagement respectively marriage...it's not something you only act upon joining a church...sect..."outfit"...I know a Swiss-based website and those "fellows" were once with the "extreme"/"closed" Darby-brethren-group in Switzerland...I did post something ...I think so...along that line in the past
Now...I wanted to stress...they freed themselves of that...and just gather together in the name of Jesus...just that "simple".I've never met them personally..but I can understand the thoughts behind it...the motives.
That is my point, that you do not have to leave your faith behind, just because we/you left TFI.
I made a prayer to receive Jesus on a busy shopping mall in Berlin...before joining, with someone of TFI.Had I known another ...real good church/group..prior to joining...I could have saved myself some agony...
God only knows.
Next year ..God willing...if I may say that here...I could/should celebrate 20 years of not tithing anymore and fellowship we didn't have before for some years more...so quite a round number...of which I am a bit proud of...I must confess...
I want to add that I am not interested in minimizing the abuse of people who may now be out of TFI. Me not either...did I give the impression...wanting to do it.Just because I happen to add the horrific events elsewhere in the world doesn't mean, that I don't feel for the victims of the horrors of TFI.But I have this idea, that it is both connected.TFI left less the world and the "flesh" behind as they claim to have done...it has to do with fleshliness.
My problem, as I stated before, is with specific things and ways of saying those things that may appear to dilute the teachings of Berg...
Agressive acid should as a matter of fact be diluted down to the point of not being harmful anymore...my take...and with me it happens with the pure Word of God...that is my remedy.
I like my handle Skep, if you want to change yours to Faith, it will fit you well. Be sure that I will still question points that look strange. I spent a long time in a cult that didn't let me exercise my God given right to be skeptical. No more, not again, I say.
I can live with that...no problem...your handle is ok...the original Greek meaning behind it as well...but I thought you emphasized being led by the Holy spirit as well...or did I get that wrong??(On the other had you kind of avoid the quoting of verses???...couldn't make that rhyme...may be you want to help me)
So do question my posts...as long as you keep in mind, that I am out and have never been in fellowship/contact with TFI...not even Exers/"friends"except once in 1993, a personal visitation of a couple I knew before quite well...
So your assumption as very wrong...never mind...I get over it.
Have/wish you a wonderful live