In Reply to: Re: Ok...I start somewhere... posted by Aunty T on March 19, 2010 at 21:15:59:
My ex's family are angry about the money his parents spent and that theyre old, but this has always been the issue, his parents have spent hundred's of thousands giving to keep the kids clothed etc. they're not angry she's with me, for them it's a relief, that being said, not one of them offered to take her in!!!! and my ex and one of his sisters were drawn into the family early in the 80's my ex was 'kidnapped'by his father, and whisked away from them, his sister couldnt handle that she had to hate her family and then 15 years ago his younger sister had a go at living with the family. so they have a history, no matter that my ex's father still see's them as missionarys and doing gods work, i think he's in denial,
Dear Tina, I am glad you clarified some for me, because I had the "logical feeling"...that some of your "relatives" must have been favourable still towards TF to some degree...because I couldn't figure out the pressure they were mounting up...do they think it's better to return to her father's family???It sounds a bit contradictory...if you ask me...on the one hand the kidnapping at one point on the other the "halfway" being favouable...
I tell you though frankly (before I met TF, I searched intensely and thought my enlightenment comes more or less from the far/further East...Buddhism etc.)...there must have been a certain something in the past which has been good by TF...some witnessing of them at the initial street level could be alright...though the problem is TF-members "eminate" this spirit/aura of libertinism...of the wrong kind...and the people get confused, what kind of a Jesus TF is portraying and following...it means actually that they constructed their own Jesus...and that's where I argued before, that TF is somewhat gnostic in their attitude...pretending to have some advanced...certain knowledge...revelation...others have not...and they don't care...if the mainstreamers can't see that from the Bible...as a matter of fact, point out, that they live in sin...TF deems itself to be beyond that justified criticism
Now that hate your relatives/parents-stuff is biblical...but has always been explained in churchhistory...I believe...I even got it explained in TF, that by comparison you love Jesus so much more...that the remaining love for your parents etc...appears like hate...plus it's a matter of preference...of positioning matters/people in heart...not more than that IMHO
So it's a bit surprising, that none of your other people offered to take her in...is it, because they want to avoid the trouble of being reminded of TF and all the wounds they might have themselves and not really having worked on???Hard to understand.
Hi there, thanxs for your reply, she's very strong and opionated, and loud, and 'worldly' she had time away from her family home, then returned and decided she wanted out. She drinks alcohol, not with me tho, and wants to do nothing. just yesterday i begged her to walk on the beach with us, and she told me she was waiting for this to end because they never stayed anywhere long. But what can i expect, can i ask about what was expected in terms of jobs around the house,etc? will she think i'm prying? i work 30 hours a week, and my kids have to clean house and cook when i'm not here, any suggestions? i think it's also hard to have my ex calling and talking to my kids for hours, and knowing her parents don't think much of her at the moment. is there anywhere i can get current literature on the family, i've read leacon's posts, and it all sounds too 'controlled' for want of a better word! we are christian, my two older kids attend the church of christ, my ex was a priest, and since he left, i haven't been to church, due to my being peed off at his hypocrysy,my faith as always is strong, i don't need toprove to any man any longer than i believe: she's more than welcome to attend, but usually isn't here on the nights they go to church. i feel she's angry, and that comes across as intollerant,i have to keep telling the kids to be patient, she does feel as though she can just take and use anything, which is shocking to my kids, because they still ask even to this day b4 they do something, so am unsure how to handle this, other than sit down and chat thank you for your time again blessings to you and your family xx
Those following verses explain a bit the lifestyle TF tried always to achieve...sharing things...in the end even the wives and husbands...nonetheless it was pointed out even in TF, that you could have at least your own toothbrush among other things as well ; )
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any [of them] that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
The attitude of TF towards worldly people you have to some degree reflected through those verses of Israel leaving Egypt...(to my knowledge, the Israelites didn't return, what they borrowed...pls. correct me, if I am wrong...in a way, they were long time underpaid
slaves anyway)...in any way this is OT and IMO TF's attitude is horribly wrong as far as their attitude towards unbelievers is concerned...exploiting their good will and faith.
Exd 12:35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment:
Exd 12:36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them [such things as they required]. And they spoiled the Egyptians.
Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Dear Tina...you entertained...took the niece of your ex in and "now you have some trouble"...as she might not be the angel one might hope for....if you read Romans 7...the letters to the churches in the beginning of Rev....the first epistle of John or the following verses, it is mightly clear, that even Christians are still sinners to some degree, but they love not to sin, they regret that...my opinion...so a sinner is always meeting another sinner
Hbr 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Now in living together, which is not a "love-marriage"...even that can become burdensome later...it appears, that we need ample love and strength from the Lord to endure the other...however, it also might be good to have the priorities straight in ones mind.As mandatory as it is from the Gospel to help the downtrodden stranger...(parable of the good Samaritan)...etc....still Gal.6:10 tells us the
first allegiance is to them of the household of the same faith...if your exe's niece shares that faith, fine...but it appears to be, that it is not the case....therefore your first priority are your children, who still depend on you and even share your faith, it seems to be.
To use anything in the house without asking, is a bit of a bad habit of TF and I think, that even in the "upper households" of TF they appreaciated the informing the others of using something...or asking...lest someone else wonders, where things went.It should be "logic" to her, that asking is mandatory for several reasons....otherwise it's forced sharing and amounts to some kind of abuse...abusing the belongings of others...which I at least don't believe in.
I think she should participate in some of the householdlabours/chores...whereever she sees her abilities...frankly I do all the householdchores...so I know what it's like and my children know, that I am not shunning them...I wanted them to have freetime as much as possible, but the older I get the more I see the need, that they need "to volunteer"...I hate to command people around...but some people are not having the necessary "instinct" to help, when needed.
Even while in TF we washed the dish-piles in the communes which took us in on road-trips, when we needede a place to sleep...total strangers took us in, but we also tried to help physically...so I don't know..."what's wrong with her"...except it's unclear, what abuse she encountered in TF...which could render her pretty "helpless"...inactive...there is a difference between what is socially a requirement and that which people deliver...some are lazy, some are literally handicapped...other are hurt/offended/downtrodden....hard to say, where she belongs
Galatians 6:10 - As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
2Th 3:8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Hbr 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
1Cr 10:24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's [wealth].
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
2Cr 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
May be you hold some grudge against many or some churches or it's members..... yet I think, there are enough good ones around, which would love to support you and not only seeking your money etc....it takes some searching though at times...the following verse I take to mean, that we should try it/do it
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
If you want to read some of the publications (I don't anymore since decades) of TF...the following second or third link will guide you to ample material...but I'd say rather study, what the Bible got to say...first link is pretty neat!!!
1 Peter 5:7 - Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Yesterday I was watching a documentary of what the Germans @ 1904 did in Southwest-Africa/Namibia to the hereros...it was incredible...I either forgot or learned that for the first time...either way it's chilling and a huge crime....another reason for having difficulty to "be a German"...besides that my real nation is in heaven...my kingdom is not from here...just to say:that is the world...all the crime and sinning...and since TF is particpating in the grave sins...abuse of children etc....I not only am against the crimes of the Germans or other nation's crimes (I think some of the stuff done against the Aborigines in Australia...even Canada---as I recently watched---is also not very kosher)...but of course also against the crimes of TF...that is mandatory...I cannot help it, but being still in this world, but I can leave TF and I/we did it @ 20 years back....so for that I praise the niece of your ex...but if she kind of is on this "love the world"-trip....well, she could have a sober/sad awakening...you can't protect her from all the ills of this world...you can pray for her...you can tell her, show her, that you really care for her...but still she is learning to make decisions in this life and some might still hurt you....that way you kind of feel with God and Christ...how man makes decisions, which are quite awful...but for the real sheep they serve in the end for the better
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
So you and your children can set the best example you're able to...but if that is to no avail, then somewhere you have to draw the line, because your first allegiance/loyality is with your children...with those who believe
This following shows, how much one can learn to appreciate that which is from Africa...I was tremendously blessed by it...great artists and believers
ROSE MUHANDO NIBEBE NEW VIDEO JIPANGE SAWA SAWA
Carry me Jesus! :)
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Please what's mean this song? Many thanks
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My eyes are blinded by tears, because my suffering is immeasurable
Because he who persecutes me is not my enemy.
But my long time friend, we ate and prayed together,
together in church praising the Lord
But my friend is planning to exterminate / finish me
I now believe the worst enemy is the one in your home
Even those i helped have given false witness against me
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Translation
Lord, listen to my words and hear my cry
my heart is tired /weary from the abundance of my suffering
My body is weary,
save me from the jaws of danger, I have been persecuted for you
save me from evil people, hasten be quick and help me, carry me
I am tired being alone on a hard and long journey
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Mungu, angalia kunena kwangu na uisikie sauti ya kilio changu
moyo wangu umechoka sana baba, kwa ajili ya wingi wa mateso yangu
Nafsi yangu imegandamana na mavumbi
Niokoe mikononi mwa midomo ya mbwa
Kwani nimeteswa sana kwa ajili yako, Baba
Niokoe mikononi mwa watu wabaya
fanya hima unisasidie, nibebe
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Nibebe, Nibebe, Nibebe, Nibebe
(Carry me)
Nibembeleze nibebe, Ee Yesu, unibebe
(Comfort me, carry me, Jesus, carry me)
Nichukue unibebe,
(Take me and carry me)
Mikononi mwako niwe salama
(in your arms I will be safe)
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it's better asking Jesus to take us for sure in coz in da world there is nothing
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