In Reply to: Re: Booty posted by CB on June 11, 2010 at 08:30:05:
bootyliscious...I think is just related to intercourse to some degree...joining booty with delicious or so...something I may not have to know...I thought, I remembered the booting-procedure...being synonymous with the docking procedure...anyway I leave that to the specialists
"You know as well as I do that just about any belief can be supported by scripture references and sophistry."
That is the same old problem...and that is where exegesis really can hit awfully the bottom...or falling short/jumping to short...by just quoting things out of context or not regarding other references on the subject or by disregarding the etymology of a word...or the tense of the verb...idiomatic phrasing also...take of the verse throughout church-history...being literal or more allegorical, the time/dispensation of the verse, applying for some people specifically (only Israel?...before NT or always etc.)...I firmly believe, that God is not confused and doesn't want us to be confused either.If I have no peace or love in my heart...I realise I need "heart-surgery"...some clean up...because my "sensors" say, something is wrong...sooner or later my number is up again for repentance...clean up forgiveness.
By all means...I cannot see that with so many old TFers...especially still in TF....they are not worried and that is worrisome.
"One of the big problems with LoL that I see has to do with the problem of intent or motivation. First, we can seriously fool ourselves about our true motivations. Second, even if our motivation is good, when the outcome of our action is harmful to another or to ourselves, we have to question the morality of our action. "
Ok...Berg argued a lot like that...I don't mean any offense...when I finally swallowed one wife and FFing...I thought I was really super altruistic....I even argued with some nice Christian chap of New Zealand?/at least down under in New Delhi on the street about the whole issue...in the end I "had him so far"...that in line with Philippians.1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice....to kind of "blessing" our work...in spite of the things he knew were wrong...he thought/realised, that some must be ok...well, I wasn't then really ready to stand back and overlook the whole picture and the harmful details...I was running around with tainted glasses
So what sounds altruistic is actually harmful...I figure, because we're in the holiness/sanctification-process and in the meantime could/can cause harm...and by getting very intimate...you're becoming one...it affects body, mind/soul...even if the Spirit should be saved and not the target....ultimately it'll hinder us or our witness/testimony for Christ...could cause people to stumble...at the minimum and if unrepented, I fear for the very soul being saved 1.Cor.6 e.g.
...Most FGAs I saw in more recent pictures...looked kind of sad, tired...almost depressed...
If I evaluate myself and others...I go a lot by what real joy someone has/I have...certainly not how much silliness...sense of joy of the world
So this "altruism-trip"...is actually saying: we have more knowledge than then Paul and all the apostles...an extra-revelation...thanks to "dear D.Berg" : (
The gnostics argued similarly...a lot of them seemed to me to be of the OSAS-kind, once saved always saved...what harm can I do to my spirit?...the body/flesh anyway profits nothing...Paul is pointing that out to his congregations, that that is a delusion.
You become one in the flesh and the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit...we're also spiritually the body of Christ...HIM the head...we should therefore not unlawfully (unchristianlike) being in bodily bond.
Polygamy is at best OT...a nice Swiss sister after TF always harped on that issue , that God made Adam one Eve not a harem...the OT laws for kings even go into that direction...even if they're not specifically prohibiting it to my knowledge...b u t coming to NT-times it definitely means a shift...other than TF wants it, sees it (eisegese...reading their wishes into scripture)...I realised, that Jesus tightened the screws...not to make us miserable....but also for us "proving" in general to ourselves, others and HIM, what we're willing to give up for such love...or whether worldly love and lust is more precious to us.
I realised, that in the end I have nothing else but the love of Jesus to count on...everything else happened to be very fickle in my life...a close second is the love of my children...which I cherish, but I realise, they're human and I can't expect so much of them either.
To sum it up...LOL is a human construct...it leaves out God's verdict via the apostles about what is good for us and what not...it's opposed to their way of portraying things...it's a design...to be "better" than them/the apostles of old...more progressive...more altruistic...but it leaves the door wide open for egoism in an altruistic disguise...
plus it doesn't portray the most beautiful picture/parallel of all, that of the bridegroom: Jesus and the church as the bride...
This is also why I love Bollywood-movies...at least in most they still cherish that one-to- one- loyality even before the act of getting married and then henceforth (even though the movie-world is probably miles apart from todays reality...even in, mostly urban, India).