yes..

Posted by ray on November 23, 2004 at 19:17:53

In Reply to: disturbing,...in trouble posted by George on November 23, 2004 at 18:52:38:

you are misreading me.

the revelation thing is not who should or shouldn't.. but rather we cannot discern the whys of who does or doesn't get healed from scripture alone (ie, sin in your life, not enough faith, to keep you humble etc) from any neatly packaged formula derived from scripture. God may tell someone... or he may not. but "word of faith" teachers have no scriptural authority to pronounce from "GODS WORD."

the deal w/ salvation is that if our basis for healing is a proper faith in the redemption, than as so many are not healed, apparently thru some difficiency in their faith, and this is the same standard of faith for redemption to work in salvation, than clearly there are a whole lot of believers who aren't there. can you see what i'm saying?

i do believe both are the same in the sense that both are only fully in effect in the kingdom of heaven. while in this fallen world and earthly body we are neither fully perfected in christ, nor free from the curse of sickness and death. right now the kingdom breaks thru from time to time.. here now and not yet, as they say. and not fully in our control.