In Reply to: Regarding out of body experiences posted by Zither on March 01, 2006 at 11:22:04:
I can write about it but probably not this week, as I have a work-load & stuff that needs doing around the house. There were several incidents that happened, nothing earth-shattering except for the last one. But you raise an interesting point when you say, I don't think it is "evil" or bad or demons or anything of the sort that some people have an out of body experience.
When I mentioned my out-of-body experiences below, OT2 wrote:
‘I discovered that demons not only impersonate the "dear departed"; I found that 2 or more of them can easily set up a counterfeit experience of what is falsely called "astral travel" or "astral projection", and these somewhat complex "demonically controlled hallucinations", as I prefer to call them BECAUSE of my experiences with them, are categorically NOT just a willed "leaving of the body".
I responded:
‘I've never dabbled in Silva Mind Control as you have, not did I meet any 'departed dead' in my forays. I haven't heard of the particular doctrine you mention how 'two or more demons set up a false out of body experience & really don't believe it.’
OT2 responded:
‘I'm sorry you don't believe it. But, of course, my experience is not at the mercy of your unbelief--it really happened the way I said it did. --a long story’
I find it odd that OT2 would be ready to call my experience ‘demonic’ yet when I say I really don’t believe that ‘two or more demons set up an out-of-body experience, he responded, my experience is not at the mercy of your unbelief--it really happened the way I said it did. So, if his experience is not at the mercy of my unbelief, is my experience at the mercy of his particular belief? I asked a question below which has not been answered yet. I know what OT2 means when he says that it’s a long story, but just the same I wrote:
‘But about your original claim that 'two or more' demons work together to set up false out-of-body experiences, how do you know? Did you read that in some book? Or were you having what you thought was an out-of-body experience & suddenly the mirage vanished & there were two demons sitting there? I know this question seems like I'm poking fun at your statement, but I'm not. I sincerely want to know.’
I realize that telling people about highly personal spiritual experiences not only takes time to tell the story right & do it justice, but then you’re setting up your personal experiences up for public scrutiny by those who may be prepared to mock it or dismiss it out of hand. That's not easy.
On a related subject to out-of-body experiences, OT2, I’d like to ask you if you believe that all NDE (near-death experiences) are ‘of the devil'?