Posted by on March 01, 2010 at 17:05:36
In Reply to: Re: Ok...I start somewhere... posted by Farmer on March 01, 2010 at 07:44:56:
Farmer:
Yeah--I realize that proto-gnstics, and a few individual gnostic heretics were known before the 2nd Century--but it did wait till the 2nd century to really get going, and Christianity did NOT arise out of basic gnosticicsm--the lie goes back to the temptation of the other angels in the pre-Adamic Angelic Fall--it just logically couldn't have happened at any other time--and was then offered to Eve, and Adam succumbed as well.
I get the "I'm too old for this" feeling about a LOT of my activities these days! Heh.
The super-powerful "zaps" I got in Yoga, etc., weren't just "new ways of thinking" or a different set of beliefs/transferrable philosophical content. They were more like intelligently engineered and controlled hallucinations. Once some of those demonic "hooks" were put into you, you were convonced of the attendant "doctrines of devils"--that's HOW the seducing spirits do it.
I had very powerful BOTH Holy Spirit experiences, AND purely demonic ones in TF. On guard duty in Brorwnsville, Texas, I was baptized in the Holy Spirit. I saw a light in the eyes of some leaders in Mexico that was the purely demonic kind--earthly, sensual and devilish.
I agree that there were experiences in TF similar to mine. But, if you have become convinced of the necessity of living in an evil manner, as over against a gradually seared conscience, direct demonization is not needed--so I believe that some TF stuff was gnostic, or quasi-gnostic, and some didn't need to be--if you have a living maggot living within you (the evil lie and its jsutifications) who needs an active, egg-laying fly, or "Lord of the Flies"; know what I mean?
I just get a creepy feeling in my spirit when I read all that non-canonical crap. Period. Be ready to give "to every man an answere of the hope that is in you" cocvers a LOT of ground--I trry to keep my witness Spirit-led and simple!
I have encountered so-called "theologians" (parrots; actually) who are simply anti-supernaturalists, and therefore place the timeing on Daniel's use of heathen leaders livinf in Daniel's time BEFORE they were alive, as proof that the manuscript was manufactured AFTER the fact. Another time they caught themselves out, because Daniel wrote of a leader's FATHER, and the unbeleivers examining the book of Daniel thought Daniel was wrong because they only found their OWN proof about the son--long story--no one has ACTUALLY controverted Scripture YET, even fromn just an archeological/anthropological point of view!
As you said--foolishness.
One day, ONE angel will chain Satan in the Bottomless Pit for a thousand yeaqrs--ONE angel.
I just beleive ethat Satan and his angels were cast out of God's Heaven, and occupy earth (and maybe the moon? As opposed to Berg's idea of the moon for HIS Heaven--just a joke!)
Gotta go! School's out!!!
OT2