Posted by Farmer on January 13, 2011 at 10:21:51
In Reply to: Re: Jobst Bittner's cofounder of TOS my ex schoolfriend...shock posted by Farmer on January 08, 2011 at 17:29:12:
Singing in the rain of the "Bittner-troup"...one has to laud their bravery (???)..."shticktoitness" of'm ...reminds me of the litnessing days...while on the road e.g....we would pray for good weather and then you know the joy, "when the weather got changed for us ; ) "
May be someone has a singing in the rain testimony/personal anecdote here...please???
"Mein Erlöser lebt" hoch aufgelöst, HD, jedoch 3:4 Aufname
I cannot prove it...but "knowing my charismatics"...I am pretty sure, think, they chose purposely the site in front of the Pergamon museum/Berlin...see revelation
Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Many pentecostals and charismatics view the Berlin declaration (1909) as a hindrance for Germany in terms of spirituality etc...may be as a deciding factor regarding the terrible events ...WWs, holocaust ect. of last century started by Germany...
So there might have been at least 2 reasons for their brave singing in the rain..."having some mission...driving out the bad influences/spirits of Pergamos etc..."
They claimed in the info-bar of the first video-clip, that their instruments continued to work miraculously after that "session"...ok...may be...but I wouldn't take my guitar for a lonely session in a cloudburst...but here are some of the differences between a dedicated charismatic and poor old me...
(Didn't Berg say, you can't just be God's fair weather friend...)
"Mein Erlöser lebt" hoch aufgelöst, HD, jedoch 3:4 Aufname
More comments here...so I added that clip...but otherwise pretty identical:
worship - mein erlöser lebt
ihr seid doch ne sekte das weis doch jeder!!! alees leiter bei euch und die haben immer recht..egal wie schlecht sie dich behandeln sie entschuldigen sich "fast" nie...du bist der schuldige du musst dann immer die schuld bei dir suchen und so..und dann der druck der bei euch ist...wenn man aussteigt wird man nicht mehr angesprochen und so ach wenn mein arsch groesser waere dann wuerde ich euch alle da rein packen...ihr seid keine christen jesus wuerde nie leute behandeln wie ihr es tut!!!
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I roughly translate the one above:
You're a sect...everybody knows that...the leaders are always right...no matter how bad they treat you, they hardly ever apologise....
oneself is the guilty one and you have to then always look for the guilt/sin in yourself...and the pressure one finds with you...when you leave/exit one is not talked to anymore...and if my ass would be bigger, I would put you all there...you're no Christians...Jesus would not treat people like you do
Wow...some other upset comments I have found elsewhere...
Again...as I said before...it's leaders and "dumb sheep" ...and a cash-generating scheme...plus some (how much I still need to find out) good old faith thrown in for mixture...
I don't deny, that they reach some people...but in Germany also a lot of people are fluctuating/wandering between the different groups/denominations...so they are already believers