Posted by Skep on April 15, 2011 at 07:44:39
In Reply to: Re: Let Christ be the judge... posted by Farmer on April 13, 2011 at 12:35:56:
There are several places in the Bible about a sin that cannot be forgiven. Honestly, I believe that only God knows beginning and end, including reasons to forgive. All we have is our own perceptions, interpretations and translations. Our own words, those we use in communications, are not necessarily God’s words. Likewise, blasphemies of any type are not of the same degree of “badness”. Only those blasphemies against the Holy Spirit are in the category of words we are talking about. A careful reading even shows signs of a possible difference between forgiveness and its consequence, eternal damnation. Mark only says that there is a “danger of eternal salvation (KJV, Mark 3:29). In Luke 12:10, there is even a distinction between blasphemies against the Son of man (Jesus) being not as bad as those against the Holy Spirit.
This is my context, and I arrive to the same conclusion you do, that God is the final Judge. Let God take care of that.
But aren’t we called to judge angels? How much more to judge men? Also, I don’t judge them but their own words judge them. I am not here to condemn them (all men), but their words and their deeds will speak for them. Everybody is included in these statements because all of us were part of TFI deeds (including you and me). But at one point the fork of decision came upon us and we had to take and make a stand. That point came to all of us at different times and in different forms. The small quiet voice became louder and louder. We heard it but some of us decided to listen and to act on it. It appears that you did as many who come to these boards appear to have done. Regardless of generation, TFI became anathema and we separated ourselves from them.
Separation comes in many ways, but that is another thread.
So, we didn’t resist to the voice of the Holy Spirit, we herd, we listened, we heeded it, and we moved on entering a world without those doctrines. The way was difficult, and the cleansing is still hard, and continues, but we are moving away from those evil doctrines because we made the decision to accept the Words of the Holy Spirit, the only teacher we were blessed with.
Berg did not do that, did he? Maria and Peter did not do that, did they? Many of those still in TFI have not done that, did they?
I am not about you but I am sure – yes, very sure – that the Holy Spirit has been talking to them, or has talked to them, but their deeds show what their decision has been so far about listening. That is one part of the story. The other part is when not listening to the “small still voice” becomes “blasphemy” against the Holy Spirit”.
It becomes so when from not listening, they decide to take the stand that the Holy Spirit is not telling them something. The Holy Spirit has been telling them all kinds of things, even using their own prophets, but they were first deaf and blinded but then became rebellious and blasphemous by publishing false directives in the name of God. Blasphemy is not resisting the truth of the Holy Spirit but knowingly going against that truth and actively seeking to suppress it and overpowering. Blasphemy is manipulating people to prevent them from doing God’s will for them. Blasphemy is teaching false teachings and corrupting little children.
Now, on your not so-subtle call for mercy to avoid the subject on account of the guilt that some people may have for things they did in TFI… I am sorry but I am not the right person for that job. If people feel guilty for things they need, they need to work on those. If they did something wrong they need to repent, ask for forgiveness, maybe even go through some other processes. It is not my job to forgive them unless they come to me but it is not my job to condemn them either. I am not condemning them at all. Let their words do it, and let God be the judge.