Posted by Farmer on December 21, 2011 at 03:41:48
In Reply to: Re: Prov. 16:1 posted by Skep on December 20, 2011 at 21:13:54:
Much most of the apostolic fathers is online...so if I get a chance I post that too...I knew already 1995...three years after "exit"...in spite of all the troubles of starting anew...that already in the 4th century...kind of the decline to some degree with the churches got evident.
Even Euseb made "fun" of Papias and his premillenialism...the shift took place to determination...ultimately leading to Calvin...I recently read, that the Hugenots desacrated/destroyed the grave of Irenaeus..I think that was him..I remember Lyon and thats where he was bishop.
So free will vs. determination...you haven't dedicated any time to that point yet??
Another easy point, Skep: Let's say:I believe Jesus returns for his believers in 2012...the rapture taking place...then I say, that believe, He doesn't come back...one way or the other I am right...but it tells others something about my awul state of faith...
There were issues, tenants...he didn't change though over the years...decades...One thing he changed his mind about, was homosexuality.
I know a number of points, where it seems he didn't change his view
Another thing:
subtleties about the clever manipulations of Berg,
Maybe another way to look at it for you is, that in delusion, you don't realise your faults, sins and mistakes...I am against it, making him smarter than he really was.
He always said he had the easiest job...something came to his mind and he figured that must be of God...current leading of the Holy Spirit...to me that is nonsense...he entertained more the devil, then he came to realise...got to go