Posted by Farmer on January 29, 2012 at 04:49:57
In Reply to: Re: Incredible posted by Thinker on January 28, 2012 at 23:00:12:
rude or not...that is something I will not necessarily accept being decided by you or anyone else here for this particular matter, ..if I voiced my opinion...where I don't go along...or in other words, I wrote what I wrote, for what it is worth ("for" the land of the "free"...opinion)
further:
"Next, pride is usually a good thing in my book. The way you put someone down for having pride just stinks of TFI ideology."
Believe it or not I made yesterday a Bible study on pride...apparently...I am just assuming here, it has been a longer time for you when you looked it up, right???But hoping to be wrong there...but then you'd know it is not really so positive...rather not at all
...selfworth is something totally different...so pls. don't mix up the two...there is something inherently given to us by God...we can be super thankful for and others as well...that is why I also believe in celebrating birthdays...being thankful for this lovely creature...to have come to earth (though the early Christians didn't seem to believe to much in such celebrations...even not the early church-fathers...I had a discussion about that with my son 2 years back)
I had just end of last year a run in here with Skep about this really intolerant...offensive argumentation of (meanwhile you), Skep and Perry and whoever else who comes here with this selfrighteous exer-positon ...slamming everything which is supposedly smacking of TFI
...My God, I argued with long words: how on earth did I join something ...when everything was 100% evil and never anything biblical in it...my point was, there was a sad...evil mixture...to the point, that the deceiving parts...lead to blindness towards countless more evil attitudes...
Could you too kindly stop this silly accusation... this year I am 20 years out...in summer... having stopped tithing...it will be celebration time...and dear Thinker...I am by now so fed up with these boards...that I many times contemplated about stopping to post here...this big s.iiiit (TFI) came from America...like a lot of other s.it...so you Americans and others pls...kindly look after the recycling yourselves...it stinks. (Though I am very thankful for other incentives coming from America, also the allies stopping the devil Hitler etc. etc.)
...it smacks of insensitivity..if people harp always on the same thing without ever relating to me, why I think as such...offering may be a better explanation....guys...this is my road...my explanation...why we got deceived...you however "jumped" (LTE loved this expression) in on GenX to defend LTE...great for you...the defender of the "accused"...
I am not going for this "Swedish BS"...if you want to fine....if you'd rather want us to consult psychiatrists than the word of God...fine ...sir...just for you and others...but not me!
I argued on GenX my road is rather to take the full blame...now leave it if it is not your cup of tea
"Next, IFT already said she agreed with me about why she started posting here, yet you can't take it from there and relate to her, but insist you know better, insist that she relate to you."
Total rubbish...you know me so little...that is why you go off the tangent in wild assumption...even while in TFI...I was glad for the sake of the "sheep"...if some brother/sister was more successful in witnessing than me...having the "key" (to the heart...now does that also sound Bergish to you...you Exers can be sometimes sooo silly)...people relate sometimes more to this person...than the other...you think I am begrudging you of your "success"...that IFT...relates to you and LTE...more than anyone else here...that is fine for me...my yardstick is the Bible...rejecting to hear the Bible is no good sign...when was it...that you read last in the Bible about that???
"Next, if you can't understand how someone can hate themselves, I wouldn't even know how to explain it to you"
...well...you're on the road and apparently didn't read my post too much either...I admitted to partly being able hating oneself...parts of life...otherwise I get in jeopardy with the scripture I quoted and other than probably you...sorry for assuming here...I believe the Word being above my or your way of thinking and reasoning...now scold me for it.
I said, she would probably love to exchange some of her life like a garment...happens for everybody.
"You really missed the point about her having made choices and hating herself for it"
We were here really longer about that point...than you...pardon Thinker...I was the one drawing attention about the subject on journey's (from GenX)...being scolded/reprimanded for it...for it was not clear...whether IFT is the same on GenX as on journeys...yet you go on so "easily" about it??...CB had even recently the decency to address that "deficiency"/ambiguity ...you just take it for granted...coming late here...sir...my goodness.
You're also very sensitive to the issue, is it???
"Put that together with other circumstances where she meant to do good for others but can't understand why everything was taken away..."
Well...someone else got "rewarded" with that position...never happened in your life???Really??
Because of that "God" is bad to you?...don't get it.And I did address that in the long exchanges...skills for a job A...probably help for a job-promotion of ones desire in job B...at time X , Lord willing...how do you/I know...but it really is not the end of the world...I did say...that sometimes it helps me to read the boulevard section of papers or see documentaries, what people suffer...there is some big suffering going on in this world...and frankly...my sympathy for IFT shrunk...when I imagined...this job could be about a missed teaching opportunity (though I don't know...)...I did imagine first some Mother Theresa kind of job-opportunity...and then I reasoned...for such activities...there's always a possibility.
Eli, Eli lama sabachthani?...You do realize...that Jesus quoted this being n a i l e d to the cross...being burdened with all the sins of the World...mine (!!!!)...yours...IFTs..CBs...Pastor Dons....etc. etc. being sinless Himself...HE died the way of the biggest sinner (taking it all upon HIM)...and since sin separates the sinner from God...HE...more than anyone else f e l t...realized the separation from HIS father in that moment...that is so h u g e...that is so deep...I cannot fathom it...countless songs, hymns have been written, sung about it...and it is not for you or me...to relate that anywhere near to our lives...we never felt such deep heartbreak...they say the reason, why piercing his chest...water and blood flowing out...has been by reason from deepest suffering/heartbreak...shock....now I am not using Psalm 22 for me or anyone in life too much...it is for me most of all a prophetic psalm...and post crucifixion...with the onset of evangelisation...spreading the good news...we know...we can be forgiven...pardoned...reconciled with God...You do know this...you do believe that still???
"Next, you have a very fundamentalist application of the bible verses--you press them to fit every situation; rather than expand your understanding, you seem to contract. Whether or not something is a go or a no-go for you theologically has absolutely nothing to do with I Feel Terible. This is not about you or your theology. It is not about your proving your theology on some candidate for conversion. This is about a real person in pain."
Having a fundamentalistic approach is nothing negative as such in my understanding...I know it got/gets a negative slant here and there...but what is really free from that here on earth?...everything gets smeared...including marriage/sex....
And pardon me...that verse counts..and anyone else has to somehow incorporate that into "his/her" theology...mind you...I am not on that pride-trip..."my theology"...if yours explains it better ...wonderful...now may be you're meanwhile on some pride-trip
yourself...regarding "thinking"...your handle...I repeat myself here...I am happy for people who relate to each other...I have few in my town...where I do on a big basis...and even that amounts to some miracle...divers as people seem to be...and there are boards where I much more agree than on this Exer-bopard...now could you pls...step down a few spokes from your ladder of self-elevation?
Have you been a leader in TFI?...would be interesting for me...because your lingo is as such...reminds me of reprimanding Berg-letters in TFI...ugh
And pardon me...you must not have thoroughly read posts in that thread...good if you're busy with major things...but many people related their stress...pain in their lives...and it was pooh poohed on...sorry choose your PC wording...by IFT...if she is a university-teacher...I mean...I feel somewhat bad for the students...for right now ...imagine some student comes in, shares his/her trouble...and she slams him/her??...kind of unbelievable...but I guess we're the stupid FGAs...where it can be done???
...my take is...it is always honourable...if people share their hearts and trouble...be it an TBITC or an FGA or anyone else in this world or not???
....that you don't receive necessarily "praise" for your own "theology"...explaining the situation...is yet another level.
Of course I'd be happy...to find someone here on the boards...with whom I could agree at large...I did say to IFT, that she can spit out...I learned that from childhood...spitting out what tastes "off"...what she didn't like from my "offer"...now you do the same...fine!really, honestly....now go to the worldwide (web)..."theology-buffet" and take your pick...what is according to your "taste"...there is plenty...I have hundreds of books (downloads also on HD etc.)...varying here and there on Bible matters....yet our lives...are the proof...whether something works/functions or not....so being in a fix, malady is a proof...something needs to be pondered, prayed, read up about.
You're aware...that there are blessings in life...and the contrary to it?...so God is at fault???Now kindly answer at least that one for me...it would tell me a lot about "your theology"
"With all respect too, if she agrees with my assessment that she posted with intentions to hear about other people's experiences of God and hardship, whether or not it makes sense to you is irrelevant. She agrees it's what she is seeking, so why not? Again, this is not about you and what you decide for her. Your dominant and locked attitude leaves a lot to be desired."
BS...no respect...just PC phrases...you're just upset, that I posted in a thread...which kind of "belongs to you and her"...which is fine...I just summed up my attitude (for I don't see any "law" against that)...after all the to and fro on the boards..kind of my final opinion...take it or leave it....and you're really silly sometimes...it's really not about me...I mean I made so many mistakes in life...committed by standard of the Bible so many grave sins...fornication as such...for which there is meanwhile hardly any law against...worldwide...but to me it counts what is written in the Bible.
And I did state above...we all shared plenty of experiences of our own...apparently wasn't enough...did you read our all accounts...did you share yours????
So it's not about me....don't you get it??...it's about my need for Jesus...for forgiveness and my belief/assumption that this is the solution for other people's problems...heartaches as well
...of course...there are those who reject that.So how do I know, who stands where...unless I give it a try...now you blame me for that...right?"Candidate for conversion"...you can be quite insensitive as well...isn't...now explain that wording to any pastor in the vicinity of yours...we are all potential "candidates"...by virtue of the Gospel...this is Christian standard...may I try to be Christian enough in my own selfworth??You mind that??...like I said...may be it's time to leave...and all that on the journeys board...incredible...in your own words.
Well...your post shows also plenty of deficits of yours in addition to our run in on GenX...so no need for compliments...I realise more and more...who is what on these "nice" Exer boards...9?? years of posting is a long time...may be my time to move on to more fundamentalistic boards...where Bible views are taken more serious...than here.
I felt the desire/need to stress to readers...that you could have a life with/for Jesus also post TFI...and expounding on that, which I realised as my own struggles, battles etc...mainly from the "theological" point of view...but it seems you have a much better "theological" view...is that what you try to say??
...mine...is what works for a "guy like me"...I know...I have not the same "theology" like Pastor don or CB...yet we can all be thankful for having Jesus in our lives...that is what matters to me..Pardon me...but your "theology" I didn't have a chance yet to grasp...I don't remember.
Nevertheless I wish you and your loved ones a wonderful life