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In Reply to: Re: on cock shoving posted by the same SGA on September 02, 2004 at 17:36:46:
What does the word 'join' mean to you? If a homeless and already abused young youth ends up in a cult, is raped into a cult, is duped into a cult, you consider that "joining" somehow as something that takes away your legitimacy to suffering because you were born instead into that madness?
Cock shoving is cock shoving, and rape is rape. Whether an adolescent is raped or battered because they were born in a group or because they are born into it does not change the disempowerment and helplessness factor, not the nature of the crime. Hell, some very young kids marry men who turn out to be batterers and criminals later, and spend years trying to get out. Does the fact that they are not 'born' into that make the issue less painful, less atrocious, less abominable?
What is the age of accountability and when is a person mature enough to know what they are getting into? Is 15 or 16 enough?
I think a lot of this is useless...'they joined' so to say they deserve what happened to them? This birth over joining issue is not as clean as you seem to put it, though I understand your issue with it. You know, there are people who 'joined' (or thought they joined a Christian group) whose own 'systemite' father or uncle was doing the cock-shoving thing. What is a young person to know at that age and how responsible do you consider them to be?
Just a few thoughts on a very emotional issue. I respect your feelings, but it may surprise you to know about the private hells of some of the very young people who 'joined,' as you say, not intending to take anything away from your own legitimate suffering.
