In Reply to: Re: FAMILY STATEMENT re NOT WITHOUT MY SISTER posted by repost from Moving On on May 01, 2008 at 05:40:42:
FAMILY STATEMENT re NOT WITHOUT MY SISTER
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Posted by repost from Moving On on May 01, 2008 at 05:40:42
This is the statement Family spokespersons Gideon and Rachel Scott released about 'Not Without My Sister'.
Scotts are supposed to be stingy...you're stingy with: selfcriticism, repentance,real humility.
In preparing this statement, we encounter the difficulty of having to publicly
disagree with some former members of our Fellowship, which we have avoided
ehem...some?...let's say two, three, may be five not more right?, just a few.We were so happy to be a part of an abusive, exploiting cult.
Really proud of our past ...oh...& you're still in delusion-land.
doing, as we love them and respect their decision to depart from our fellowship.
Oh yes you loved them...right...your unique way...gosh...how deluded!
Not all SGAs decision to leave, you took so kindly, apparently...as you made in instances
defectors life hell before leaving, pretty contrary to your own letters...your declaration of independence e.g. old stuff I guess, you don't read.
We have no wish to alienate them or add to their grievances, and we believe that these former members are entitled to their personal perspectives, outlooks and beliefs.
It doesn't matter, what you wish, because your wishes are pretty insane & also here just bad PR...you already added to their grievances
by not acknowledging their hurt and misery...you're such idiotic hypocrites...oh, thanks, that they are entitled to their own belives...real generous of you, hats off or what to such normal attitude?In a free world that's called normal, only in dictatorships this is something people dream of.
However, we believe that we also are entitled to a response, particularly where The Family International is unfairly maligned and slandered, or where stories are exaggerated to the point that it is difficult to separate truth
Please point out the exaggerations...no time for that or no proof?...I believe the latter to be true.
Sure you're entitled to your response...we even posted it here...though it's pretty short & lacking of good old sense.
Although many people who have departed from our fellowship testify that their experiences as a member of The Family International were positive ones, there are some former members who have had some negative experiences, as in any organisation.
Yes, really wonderful my experiences with TF, I learned to beg instead of working with my hands
like the Bible says & I told people some deceiving salesline...really wonderful, I killed my conscience, which had alarmed me about that.I learned from you to not value marriage the way it should have been.I was deceived by you thinking I'd speak in tongues, I learned from TF to look down on outsiders, critics...
I learned man-worship in the person of Berg, I stayed silent when I should have roared about developments which were wrong, I was a man/leadership pleaser...etc. etc.
We are saddened that anyone may have had negative experiences while in The Family International.
Will you idiotic spokespeople stop for a change this really offensive talk, blabber in the conditional tense!We are saddened, you should say, that people really suffered in TF...
period.Will you get that into your thick skull & past your hardened heart.What's wrong with you?Remember the verse being past feeling...read the whole one...if you happen to have a dusty Bible on your bookshelve or in your littrunk...that book covered by all the Fam-pubs I meant...Ephesians 4:19...pretty much about you leaders.
Beginning more than two decades ago policies were implemented to ensure that the rights of our members could not be infringed upon by others. We have taken great pains, both formally and informally, to apologise for any grievances they have.
What?Anybody in TF grieved/pained, to apologise to the abused SGAs?How come the apologies are so lame?If you had really grieved, the fruits would have been much better.But what do you know about repentance??
We believe that such efforts have been helpful for all parties involved.
You know what?You live in the delusion, that those impersonal, superficial apologies, blanket-statements in conditional tense were really it?The real hit.Wrong...you just did a very cheap job, that's all not even heartache & grievance it cost you, much less a penny.
Far from being a true story as the reviewer states, it is a very subjective account viewed through the prism of reinterpretation.
What's a prism of reinterpretation?Prism can be used, to break up light to "the details".You mean,
detailed interpretation?Or do you mean distortion, please state clearly what you mean next time you come down from your lofts, to talk to the "peasants in the dark" (Actually I feel having more light, than ever in that dark kingdom of TF)
Thus, we will not attempt to address the personal experiences of former members presented in this book, but rather will address the main issues.
Now you're really backing out...pretty bad PR-folks you are...bad loosers.
The Care and Protection of our Children
First a categorical restatement of our policies both public and private
regarding our member‚?Ts rights, both adult and children Any form of abuse, whether sexual, physical or otherwise is absolutely forbidden in our fellowship. Any infraction of this rule will result in immediate expulsion
from our fellowship. We do not condone or permit any inappropriate behaviour with our children, whom we consider a precious gift from God to be protected and nurtured.
Ok ok, ok we got it...devils turned now into angels, sinners into real saints...
and all the abusers...whoever it might (leaders!!!!) be are expulsed..."nice" dreamworld you constructed.
The Family International recognises that during a short period of our history our policies in this regard were not clearly articulated, which resulted in isolated incidences of inappropriate behaviour towards minors.
inappropiate behaviour towards minors...you learn that lingo from watching too many DVDs or politchannels or what?
You mean, children were not greeted?(Sarcasm) They couldn't climb any trees, couldn't get dirty etc...They didn't get a desert after their meal?They didn't get mittens in cold weather?
They were spanked?They were sexually abused?You don't want to say it, cause the last is obviously the worst.Let people guess what's the meaning of your double talk.The public might swallow your "s.it", but that doesn't make the account of the abused any wronger or false.I believe what I have read here & elsewhere & I don't believe you.
This was officially corrected in 1986, when it was made clear, and we accept that it should have been made clear earlier, that sexual contact between an adult and minor was totally unacceptable.
plus minor is still not precise enough...also it's
forbidden by law...do you belong to the lawless
(1.Timothy 1:9)? I think you do!You're only sorry for being caught.Romans 13 doesn't exist in your Bible anymore...ripped out.The problem is, you have the wrong theology, the wrong leaders.Blind ones lead others in the pit. It's still remains to be cleared, whether you purged your publications,because you sincerely believe, you/we were very wrong those days or because you fear to endanger your collecting/raising funds, you really wouldn't get, if people would really know you.I rather believe for now the latter.
The Family International‚?Ts success in
protecting our children and ensuring their well being has been documented by court-appointed and independent investigations of almost 700 children living in Family communities. After extensive physical, psychological and educational testing, all of the children were found to be healthy with no sign of abuse in a single case. This total absence of abuse speaks for the efforts made to safeguard children in Family communities. We question whether the same statistics could be produced for children in society at large.
We believe that this book bears witness to the fact that people's experiences are often re-interpreted upon exiting a religious group, particularly a high commitment religious movement such as The Family International. We ask people to come and see our communities for themselves as well as read the numerous studies which have been conducted by authorities and health care professionals and the court cases which we have won around the world.
You can't deny the incest quotes & others of Berg and now you try to gather the feathers
of the pastors pillow...but you won't succeed.You must be kidding, every company
polishes up their premises for important visitors, to do good PR.You ever heard of
corrupt companies?Inspite of their polished, brushed up behaviour, colourful brochures,
some still go down as a failure in history.Can I wish you the same??
Court cases which we may add only came about because of allegations like this which have stirred up hysteria against our religious group and have always ended with judges finding in our favour.
In Australia for example social services were forced to pay damages to the children for abuse they suffered at the hands of social services themselves.
The facts speak for themselves and whilst we are sad if any former members have experienced conditions or treatment which is different from our positive experience of being in The Family International for 36 years, we feel we must
speak up so that the general public does not misjudge our wonderful, well documented Christian work throughout Africa on the basis of this book and its allegations.
Gideon and Rachel Scott
Telephone **27 11 3154863 (Johannesburg)
Family Care Association is a branch of the Family International
(www.thefamilyinternational.org) a fellowship of independent missionary
communities dedicated to improving the health, education, and welfare of
those in need, and spreading God's message of love.
No thanks...not your type of love
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