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In Reply to: Re: some seem to insist on it posted by Traveler in India on September 16, 2009 at 04:13:13:
Sorry if I am misunderstanding you. Your posts are a little cryptic to me. I'm not sure exactly what your "problem" is with K.K. or if it is a problem at all. Perhaps it is because you are being careful not to say what you really mean so as not to infringe on her privacy. But even if that is true then it also strikes me as having a double standard--why make an issue of K.K.'s identity and her private life present or past, if it is her private life?
I figure misunderstanding me and me being cryptic is not just only a language thing, due to l.-barrier...besides my cordless keyboard messes up the intended words....I think,I Could be accused of that even if I wrote in German...you're right..I wanted in the beginning to be very careful, but realized, that I am split between having curiosity, a big mouth and having some tactfulness, as K.K definetely seems to be a super nice person.
For some or too much curiosity some journalists in Russia...Italy and elsewhere landed either in jail, the hospital or the grave...some don't like to be on the spot/in the limelight...I just wanted to say...curiosity can be dangerous, but without that we wouldn't learn either...but one day some journalist might be more curious than K.K. could wish it to be and besides from the various places in the net you can already deduce, that the fans & the public in general has some bigger questions...some of that i had posted...so I am not the only one who's a bit curious.In Germany some famous people lament about the infringement of the much needed privacy, but again and again the journalistic tenor is, if you're a public figure & earning lots through that position, then you just have to endure that too.Some have then resorted to keeping their own family...especially the kids totally out of that and press charges against any paparazzo/journalist, who is guilty of not heeding that wish and in the meantime they learned their lesson it seems...meaning: if you're a public figure, you just can't shout foul, when people want to know things...you can hope, that it will go away...postponing the answers...but I'd say that's no worthy strategy.
Is she using a false identity or resume to defraud the public in order to gain good PR for TFI? That would be another thing. If she was big leader responsible for a lot of crimes, that would be another thing. But if she was born into TFI and wishes to move on and keep the public focus away from her past in TFI, that is her right. I support that!
I prefer the word artists name (kinb of like that in GErman)...a very common thing to have...especially if your name "sounds a bit odd"...in general not refered to K.K....even the parents/forefathers of mentioned Dr. Jane E. Gilbert gave themselves a new name upon emigrating to the US...that seemed to have been common, I even learned from her book, that quite a few had their jewish nose "refined" in an beauty-operation...I was amazed about that.
What rubbed me a bit wrong is the folowing...she .K.K. comes back from the US and must have heard about Jacky Shroff's wife disclosing this Kaif/Turquotte thing...
There has also been news about her surname.. that it’s really Turquotte, and not Kaif as she claims. So, what’s her take on that? The actress tweets, “And for people wondering, yes, my passport name is Katrina Turquotte. I changed it because it'll be easier for people to call me. Nothing more.” (from the TOI copypasted...from the 9.9.
And I’m also busy fighting off strange allegations.”
Strangest of them all is the one that Ayesha Shroff shot off alleging that the surname given on Katrina’s passport was ‘Turquotte.’ “That’s my mother surname,” is all Katrina will say before clamming up on the subject. from the 12.9
So why is the reaction of K.K. of the 12.9 stranger than her reaction dating 9.9 ...I really don't get that....mistake of the jouranists??? or K.K. a bit p...off that someone disclosed that??
You discovered Katrina Kaif. Is she still in touch with you?
Not really. We met at a party once and just greeted each other.
Did you change her surname?
She had an English surname, which was not easy to pronounce. She is not Katrina Kaif originally. She is Katrina Turquotte. We wanted to give her a surname which would be accepted by the Indian audience. First we thought of naming her Katrina Kazi, but then we thought Kazi would have a religious overtone. So we thought of Kaif.
But it is said that she has a Kashmiri father.
If that’s what she says, you have to believe her. Her name on her passport that time was Katrina Turquotte.
So she doesn't seem (to me as an observer) to appreciate Ayesha Shroff too much for whatever reason???
After all, the thing about her surname is really not a strange allegation...though these seem to be the words of the journalist...still she seemed to have been miffed about that...why...can you tell me that????
First off..she is/was SGA...therefore not responsible for having lived where she had to...due to age and as a child you don't "rebel" too easily...so to speak....so I go easily along with what you say...but one moment pls....according to someone posting at xfamily.org...her mother is still somewhat in TF...her mother wants to set up some welfareorganisation and K.K. is apparently dedicated to help her in that regard...why not?...especially, if it'd turned out better than what TF could muster up in the past...I know what I am talking about, we sang in an orphanage in
Nepal & took a picture of spoonfeeding a toddler...I would like to hope, that the T./Kaif-intentions are far better than that...
you wrote:
and wishes to move on and keep the public focus away from her past in TFI, that is her right. I support that!
Could be that she has a "hard" time to "please" her mother still in TF and her own wish to move on...may be that's the pic...kind of my take...although just a hypothesis, our guess, because we don't know better & frankly, I won't search, just to find out more specifically about her...but you see, I happen to read almost daily since years the TOI...fantastically made...and just appreciate their information etc...so the info about K.K. is just byproduct of my reading time there...plus what I stumble upon reading on xfamily.org...pretty much public & if her sisters wouldn't have talked on movingon about her, nobody would know now, besides some insiders...so it took my curiosity and their spilling the beans...so by now...may be Katrina is "mad" at them & me...sorry
Why are you accusing her of compromising? Do you wish she would just come out and admit her past in TFI? Isn't it her own business when and where she chooses to tell her story, if at all?
There are many things which I/we don't know for sure...relations are also entirely her thing/business...but is she dating Salman for reasons to become mated or as a springboad...Salman "does help" young actrices..if you know what I mean...all that good heartednes or whatever...
from TOI:
The actress said she had a lot to be grateful to Mumbai for. And, she believed Lord Ganesh was the presiding deity of Mumbai, everybody worshipped Ganpati... she felt a strong connect to the God, that is why she frequently visited Siddhivinayak.
“Being a part of the puja here is a small gesture on my part to express my gratitude,” said Katrina as devotees gaped in astonishment at her faith and then made a mad scramble to shoot pictures of her on their cell phones.
as far a paying some attention to the idol/Ganesh...her thing...even in the charismatic world and elsewhere you have this thing called gospel of afluence...a bit Calinistic even...one should prosper, be healthy..which would show to be in good terms with God...definetely she is blessed at the moment...but then for one thing the Muslim community wonders whether she is a Muslim...Kashmiri father or not (English...no-Muslim mother)
Well, I could never pay any attention to any idol...I was brought up protestant and I have big difficulties to understand the Hindus...the Catholics and Greek Orthodox in that regard.
9 years ago I was with my children in the Vatican...St.Peter's dome...people en masse passed by a statue, which is I think St. Peter sitting or so...the foot became already "used off" from all the reverence and kissing....sorry, some/many Christians died for not bowing to idols... K.K. was apparently brought up in TF...I fail to understad her motives in all that...surely this finds no sympathy with me....
Old as I am by now I learned...you have to have the guts to criticise a pretty girl...and not to gloss over everything, afraid to offend someone you otherwise like.
But then that is symptomatic of India..you just have a whole bundle of housegods, hoping that one of them does you the needed favour..I've seen it many times with my own eyes while I was in India.
If you're interested I could find you a new report of Toi about a Westerner...turned Hindu....when he entered into a Hindutemple somewhere in India I forgot where..first nobody cared, but then some type of priests/guards noticed him & threw him out..of course he protested, saying he'd be a staunch/converted Hindu etc....sombody of Hindu-faith commented, that it didn't matter as he wasn't born in India...so you see it's not so easy as some would like it to be.
Reading what little I can grasp (and again, please forgive me if I misunderstand you) I don't see what the issue is, why there is a "bad taste" as you call it in her choice of surname. It's quite common for people to adopt stage/public names which are more marketable. Take Sting, Muddy Waters, Madonna, Marilyn Monroe, just to name a few. The surname she chose is right for the Bollywood market, so why not?
My biggest compliments..you're soooo polite...if I could, I would give you a huge hug...you were brought up very well...no sarcasms here...really...thank you for being so nice in wanting things a bit clearer from my side...about the name-issue I said plenty by now, and I can only repeat here what I said earlier...sure it's normal, to take an artists name...her right...many assumed it'd be her flesh-father's name...at least I did...people seemed to be astonished about that and if you look at pics of her siblings/ sisters, it becomes a bit obvious, that she is, from what I can se, the only Indian looking...that's the heritage TF gives you..not her fault...I almost have a similar "problem" with my daughter...she is apparently half Indian as well and some Turk in her neigborhood talked to her in Turkish, assuming her to be of his ethnic community...poor girl & odd situation
The surname just got some "bad" taste for me through her reaction to the disclosure of Mrs. Shroff...wasn't that the right of her? or should she just have phoned first "Katz", to get her permission?...I thought she was a bit "mad" about it...not relaxed about it...my take..sorry if I am leaning towards my sentiments/emotions here
Are you saying that you know better than K.K. about her own racial identity? Or do you mean that she has no right to assert her Indian identity since she doesn't know who her father is? How it reads from where I'm sitting it's like you want her to defend her Indian-ness, or you are saying she has no moral right to call herself Indian just because she doesn't remeber her father. (Again I am just trying to understand and please forgive me if I got it all wrong.)
No I am not saying much factual about such delicate issue...but her comment:
Says Katrina, “Me not Indian? I think I’m as Indian as it can get. I want to know how many caucasians are brown-skinned. And you’ve to admit, I’m brown in complexion. Having said that, I don’t wish to give any importance to the people who have made my nationality a national issue. All I’ll say is I’m very much an Indian. And it’s an insult to my parents to suggest I am not.”
So, is she categorically saying she is Indian? “Yes I am. My mother is British and my father is Indian. Now could we talk about something else? I want to focus on my work. And I wish the others would do the same.”
is a bit too daring for my liking...we have quite a few ethnical/nationally mixed couples & offsprings by now in Germany...the time I was here,nobody would fuss abut it, that somebody got the good influence of let's say the French mother and the German or whatever
influence of the father...it counted both so to drop that is not right in my eyes...she is not as Indian as you can get, because in my concept that takes two Indian "sources"...being brought up there...though she has enough of the Indian identity to act there very well!!! and probably to feel that way...the language she had to learn later...but why not...many Jews don't speak/write Hebrew...
Again she is Indian...but in her upbringing weren't too many Indian elements, so that she could relate easily to the Indian world...though she has caught up now...I would think...but still she has to work to convince the public...and Bollywood isn't that easy to satisfy...I mean fans/critics etc...and I think she knows that very well.
You wrote, "Besides this, she is not too sure, where she belongs spiritually..."
I am not sure as to the relevance of this.
i refer to my outlinings above...she sits between the chairs..spiritually as well, that's the impression I got meanwhile...it's after all not easy for her...
even in romance one day she would have to decide...that's how it is in life...making decisions
Believe me, I understand your point about the eternal problem of how people see you vs. how you see yourself. But if it's any help, if you were to "go native" (sarcasm intended) and become a bedouin, you will for all intents and purposes be a bedouin to me. I would have to accept that you see yourself that way and have your good reasons for leaving your German past behind you. ;-)
I hav resons t dsike Germa ad ometo lie itneverthees her..he dertwoul't be ouchof option.toofew eople..tough he silence they say is awsome...
I prefer fertile...waterabunded surroundings...mated to someone, that concept you portrayed is very valid...except..there are some wo live in delusion...honestly...there were people in Berlin & elsewere smoking some mushrooms, they thought they were like birds and could fly, opened the window and had a crash-landing...besides this there are many other delusions...a mate should also intervene in this regard...even friends are for that too.
The book you mention sounds fascinating. It's just the kind of reading I like. Is it available in English?
I guess it'd be fantastic in English for all the ones she has left over there and others as well...I am afraid it's only in German...I devoured it in just a couple of days..especially since she is so frank and calls things by their name be it critical of something in the US or here .I admire her ...because in essence she had wanted to overcome her hatred...so is also the title
someday...hopefully soon...I would like to write her...it took some time find her email adi...I thought she'd be more famous etc...the book I noticed by chance in my favourite antique-booshop...here are some links about her...sorry...have to rush to work now...sorry for the typos...damn cordless keyboard...the "normal" one broke down...oh well..sorry...really liked your "tone" in your post...you're softspoken...like a gentle breeze...thanks for replying...like the exchange with you!!!!
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Gilbert, Jane E. Ich mußte mich vom Haß befreien. Eine Jüdin emigriert nach Deutschland.
München: Scherz, 1989
"I had to liberate myself from hate.A jewish woman emigrates to Germany"
