In Reply to: Re: Peacemakers posted by Peace on November 20, 2009 at 01:45:32:
Thanks...I am getting it now clearer...I wasn't strongly assuming, that you personally need a dialogue, but was musing kind of in general what's the use?..that you were having the 2nd generation in mind is very honourable...but I remember they were asking for that direct dialogue for ages on movingon and other places...doesn't seem to impress them...TF's leaders
All they need to have is good faith, which they have never shown to us because they fear we are going to expose them. How different is that from what the pharisees do?
Sorry, ...pls...you know that Jesus said of some of the Jews & Pharisees (verse 13) in John 8: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. (vs.44,45)
Yes. we could be their strongest supporters but only if they show signs of being sincere, open and clear. We may not believe now what they believe but they should be as free as we are to pursue our own straight and narrow path.
Sorry..peace...but at times you sound ambiguous to me.... I never ever want to support TF's gnostic BS
I run as the apostle John according to some legend fled, when some infidel entered a place...I don't know why he ran & didn't confront him...may be he had already & the guy was incorrigable???Forgot the context...I am not fellowshipping with exers neither do I seek contact much beyond the board...although there is no must do so...simply I don't have the need for it/time so far..
last thing, that I could be afraid of them...
But I rather "fear"...that they present in dialogue always the known lame excuses or the unbiblical logic they have or just ripping verses out of context to "prove" a point....they are very poor apologists.
So if "king" Peter wants an audience, a special meeting with his own highness/himself...ok, then he can dictate how the meeting takes place...they are absolute...isn't it?...it's a bit like en cathedra vs. ex cathedra...and king Peter is most likely still pontificating if he should come down from his loft to meet the lowly ones....that amounts to pride...pride hinders any truthful dialogue...so with all that pride...they have to first be knocked to their real senses...but not by us...by the creator itself
Prayer for love and mercy isn't such a bad one ...sounds pretty sincere...but may be they ripped that off their teachings/banned that...
I don't want to support people who twist the Bible...and I never ever want to believe again what they believe now...it amounts to unbelief...not believing, what is written or twisting that which is written...either knowingly or by delusion...
"And we are his witness of these things; and so is the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." Acts 5:32
What an important verse and how much obedience is there of TF towards that which is written in the Bible?????? and not asking of the flock obedience to something gnosticlike, what they have concocted in their (un)spiritual grandeur...pleeeeease...I am getting annoyed by the notion, that they could have faith...they have faith...but not the biblical one....at least much of that is covered under a lot of rubbish.