Posted by Farmer on January 28, 2012 at 03:46:06
In Reply to: Re: To "I Feel Terrible" posted by Thinker on January 27, 2012 at 15:09:11:
Thinker...a really fine post, compliments...and I am glad you contribute to the boards...may be you have some more time for that once again ; )
...but... in due respect for your very fine, high intellect and discernment...here is where I don't go along to well with you...but never mind...who am I...just my 2 Paisa worth comment...
"To me, it's clear that you believe God hates you because you hate yourself right now due to recent events that have transpired in your life."
IFT...is run right now to me "solely"/primarily by sentiments...sometimes we (also Christians) feel "high" or low...but faith remains...hate is also a sentiment (or has such sentimental "component"/effect)...even as love...joy...peace etc. has
...body ...mind/psychae...Spirit.... is a "trichotomy" of Christianity...if someone isn't born again...he/she can't have the Holy Spirit/misses it...therefore leans more to feeling and understanding alone...mind/psychae is given to everybody and man relates/interacts through such
Any "bigger" statement I try to "balance"...scrutinize/verify with Holy scripture and to me it is rather clear, that IFT is deep down not hating herself...in the overall
(see: Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church)
...but rather her situation(s)...part of her life...which she would rather trade...like a garment....getting rid of it.
She as an individual (with/biblically speaking :"flesh")...would rather prefer (my assumption as a fellow human being) to feel very fine..."eternally"...secure...happy...accepted...loved.
That experience is apparently missing right now...but it doesn't mean to me...she "hates" herself...rather she "hates" what is "done" to her...call it determination/"fate"...lack of intervention from God...lack of love and interest for her.
....and as a result she is rather critical of everything...including God...which actually amounts to pride...I figure her main problem here, feeling mistreated, deserving something better...and I know that thought and feeling, so I have never put myself in these threads as something better than her and others, but in spite of that, I feel I have the right to criticise myself for it and others being guilty of the same "stuff"
...but that is for all off us true, pride being a major problem...sometimes more in life sometimes less (after getting humiliated ; ) )
"The jury is still out on this and you want people to tell you why, by experience, God doesn't hate you."
Thinker...with all respect...but this is really a "no go"..in "applied theology" for me...People can share their "testimony"/experience with God and people have here really plenty..."moaning and groaning"/yawning on the part of IFT as a response...so far....and really...she herself can (big emphasis here) make that experience...that God loves her...but you can lead a horse to the waterhole...but... etc. etc....normally horses drink...when thirsty...my take....so who could tell by what experience (not theology..scripture...you meant!?...for that tells her she is loved...and we reemphasized that for her)...that God loves her?You mean I could experience God's love for her...make it plausible to her or someone else...then why would she believe then my account or of others??...my or other people's experience "for her"...It doesn't make sense to me.
She has to experience that for herself....it takes some faith...and I know from experience...in needy...desperate situations, you have faith/courage for all kinds of "crazy" solutions...which either work or not...for me one thing worked...and I guess everybody knows here what I mean...and that still works...36 years is a longer stretch...I am a "satisfied customer"