Posted by Farmer on April 17, 2011 at 14:47:27
In Reply to: Re: just a few things more posted by long time exer on April 17, 2011 at 10:11:39:
Yes...I know you and others dealt with that not only Petty Hearst comes to mind again...Stockholm syndrom...& strange enough many Nazi top-leaders were rather intellectuals...meaning not dumb (same goes for Pol Pot)...that time and the cooperation baffled many for decades...same happened in the socialist area of Eastern Europe...going along out of fear...same is still true for China etc...
Plus group-dynamics all can play a role...but often there comes a time where that evil surrounding is taken away and people can dare "to think on their own"...fascism didn't last for too long TG.
If you're so concerned about everyone getting their fair treatment of God (which I think is any way the case)...you could also look into the universal reconciliation doctrine...to me not really fully proven...(TFI is also in favour of it)...and your "consciousness about the lost would be at ease"... ; )
Are you referring to outcast...good people... out of church to certain people like e.g. homosexuals etc.???
People in a church also have the right to fellowship with whomever they think follows to a good enough degree and is not diverting from basic tenants of the NT...if there should be some gray zone of interpretation...anybody is free enough in our societies to adjoin themselves with whomever of like mind and form some fellowship of their own...but I am not sure whether that is really that helpful...because some things are clearer in the NT then people are willing to admit
Last not least...it's God, who can define the road of salvation...it certainly is not good works...something which seems to ring through several of your posts as a thought...talking about "good people" (what is that...compared with the ideal...the absolute...God???)
The prophecies about Jesus in the OT are so manifold..only a fool or a completely desinterested person can overlook that...plus I know HE answered, when I called...that remains good enough for me...
Not everyone responds...even Paul was grieved about that...about his fellow Jews...but there is a difference between real/spiritual Israel and just Israel according to the flesh ancestry....
If you don't want to be planted into that olive-tree...what can I say...as I said it's about love...winning the bride through love...sacrifice not abusing her...forcing her into a relationship...it's more a subtler resonance...the way I see for now....
He knocks on the door...although He's the ruler of all the worlds...and doesn't knock in the door...forcing His entry.