Posted by Farmer on April 15, 2011 at 14:23:43
In Reply to: Re: can't cope with some what you wrote posted by long time exer on April 15, 2011 at 13:21:37:
I meant...you don't like the prayer of salvation?...never mind within or out of TFI...I do...you didn't reply to that yet...you don't have to reply...but pls...do you know any other rhetoric drum than lost in translation???...a bit monotonous by now...and may I ask you something without constantly having the card....lost in translation in front of my nose...my reply/question I consider fairly simple...may be it doesn't occur to you anymore that question...what about salvation etc...but to me that is sad your linking it with slow poison...am I allowed to say that or not???
...it's the same or similar by the way how people judge now the topic of marriage...no fidelity...staying and going as people please...meaning divorce and remarriage...transported on the spiritual plane the subject would be: Christ is faithful to His spouse/wife no matter what...that is the faithfulness of Christ...which TFI doesn't understand also via the metaphor of marriage...the churches of today neither nor the world of course...though...strange enough...the Indians by large seem to understand it, judged by what I know and countless Bollywood-movies
referring to the dark side...I just meant: we humans...I just assume here...have all a simple knowledge of temptation...dark side of life...I meant that was a reason also to want salvation myself...am I so unique, that others wouldn't also want salvation------including you???
...since I appreciate love and peace
...In opposition is hate and fear...who craves that???
Is that a negative desire, to have a means against that???...My train of thought was...it doesn't matter who proposes to you the plan of salvation...because it is between us and Jesus personally
...one might argue...too bad it was TFI...well, throughout church-history there were all kinds of "problematic outfits"...but the message got out...Philippians 1:18 in context was a consolation for me in this regard since very long
You wrote:
When I talked about where the abuse stated, it is because it was pertinent to the thread, imo. Did abuses filter down and did we hurt each other as a result of those doctrines, yes.
Do I think the "system" was darker? NO.
Of course it is pertinent where it started...but pardon me for using the Bible...Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden...they did argue the serpent beguiled and tricked me...didn't matter that excuse...get what I mean???...doesn't matter whether we were deceived by the rotter Berg...who was in age etc. senior to us...so???
That seems to be yours and Skep's line...and frankly I don't go along...that is also my prerogative.I have sinned and have to be willing to face that music...referring to FFing and sharing etc...besides the money issue...which by the way is also relevant for the early TFI-days
You wrote:
Regarding your last statement about your ex-wife, while you did not stop the FFing and you lived off of it, that is where the oppression of Berg led you.
Did I ever deny that???...I am long enough on this board to have that emphasized again and again...you run in open doors...that is my saying
Oppression of Berg...well, I don't know whether that is the best...most suitable...academic expression for it...It has been full deception IMO.
That is where the oppression of Berg led her.
I think as a "national babe"...she is kind of sinless in that...only God knows.
Certainly it was painful and degrading but what were your thoughts when it was happening? Was it: "How much money is she going to make tonight because I want to go out to eat at some nice restaurants for a change, and I need some new shoes.." or was it.."Lord, I believe this is your will, forgive me for questioning it, but it hurts a lot. Make me stronger and help me to let her go. If this is not of you, please intervene."
I don't think it was the money issue at all...we believed, that people could be brought to believe in Christ in such new avenues...kind of off the streets...and besides that could also pay the accumulating bills...
If this is not of you, please intervene....well that is a wonderful...matur prayer...I don't think I prayed it a lot in those days...except for witnessing destinations...for Berg was kind of the pope and his teachings...once chewed upon and "digested"...just practiced.
The sexual abuse of children never really crossed my mind...first off I was single..without children...second...may be to your surprise I really skipped that or kind of "overlooked" that...I just read it as detail of Berg's household
Do I think the "system" was darker? NO.
What wonderful world are you living in...never heard about Dutroux in Belgium or other relevant cases it's so horrible it makes oneself speechless in grief ...that is not the world, the system...huh????
Sometimes I don't understand you guys...I think you're constructing your own fairytale world down here...not under
Mistakes typos are included to make you feel superior uh...no...I have no time nor skill to correct everythi8ng